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Sources: Dwight doesn't see himself as a Rocket next year

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. clos4life

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    Perhaps it's for the best. With the right coach, players and system around him he could still be effective. Houston is definitely not using him the right way.

    We are seeing LA Dwight this season, and it's time for him to try and get his money elsewhere next year.
     
  2. topfive

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    It's hard to think we didn't build enough of the offense around Dwight when the guy has so little offensive game outside of about eight feet. I mean, seriously, it's not like we needed him to be a 3-point threat, but he's a 30-year-old NBA center who's never learned to hit a simple 15-footer. In fact, outside of directly under the rim, he's got no game at all facing the basket. How many starting NBA centers can you say that about? Maybe Tyson Chandler and Omer Asik?
     
  3. topfive

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    This argument is just silly. Nothing worth doing is easy, except maybe masturbating. :grin:

    Dwight wants four years at $30M+ per year and you say he shouldn't improve his post game because it wouldn't be easy? :eek:
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  4. Nick_713

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    Admittedly, no. I've really noticed when his temper is shown on NBA TV or TNT. Knowing what his weaknesses are and not playing to them is really good to hear. Thank You for that. I agree with you on the rest.

    BTW, Thanks for the sig material below.
     
  5. Nick_713

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    No. When Noah was drafted in 2007, their HC was Scott Skiles, who was fired after a 9-16 start to that season.
     
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    efg over 60%
    TS% over 60%

    Team efg without Dwight is right at 49%



    Do you realize that Dwight shooting two free throws is the same efficiency as all of our guys taking a 3-point shot?

    Not only is it the same efficiency but it is actually more effective because the opponent has to take a foul to put him on the FT line.

    This is not a great shooting team. This is a relatively poor shooting team. If we were the Warriors then the argument could be made that Dwight doesn't deserve very many touches or he doesn't deserve more touches. But we aren't the Warriors.

    Dwight is the second most efficient offensive player we have. Love him or hate him. Hate his incredibly awkward robotish post moves. He's the second most efficient offensive option we have.

    And he's not the second most efficient option because we limit his touches. He's the second most efficient option because we have no great perimeter shooters/finishers other than Harden.

    We have failed miserably this season. Teams constantly collapse on Harden...at least the better teams do. Harden is probably going to set an all-time record for turnovers this year.

    Our shooting sucks. Between Brewer, Lawson, Jones, Smith, Thornton, those guys shot 30.7% on 658 3-balls. Between Ariza, Beverley, Brewer, Lawson, Thornton, Jones, those guys shot 46% on a sum of 1511 shots from 2-point range (696/1511). Meanwhile Dwight is shooting 75% at the rim.......and 50% from the FT line............on 19% usage. Corey Brewer at 17.9% usage??? Jones at 19 usage?? Thornton at 24% usage??


    Say all you want about Dwight not being a good offensive player. It's simply garbage.

    Dwight is not a PRETTY offensive player. But he is a highly effective offensive player because he knocks down a lot of shots down close and he puts the opponent into deep foul trouble when he is consistently given the basketball. All the numbers point to the same thing. The higher Dwight's usage is....(and subsequently the lower the usage for players like Brewer, etc.)....the more our winning percentage goes up. When Dwight's usage is down (and other inefficient offensive players have their usage go up) we are not as good a basketball team.


    If there is a player that should be all defense and not get shots and plays run for them on this team .... .it's Corey Brewer.....and several others.



    We have played STUPID BASKETBALL all season. And as a consequence now we have a huge pile of STUPID BASKETBALL POSTS from posters who want to blame Dwight for this debacle. I wouldn't blame Dwight for checking out. I've basically checked out myself on these guys. And I'm one of the biggest fans. But I can't stand sheer ignorance. And the idea that we are better off to have guys like Brewer, Ariza, Thornton, Lawson, etc. burning up possessions like we have all year.....instead of running our half-court sets through Dwight.......when we haven't done that all year.....while we sit here at .500 with 12 games to go........is beyond ridiculous.

    Dwight is a superstar. WE SIGNED DWIGHT! OUR OFFENSIVE SYSTEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AROUND GETTING DWIGHT THE BASKETBALL AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE WHEN HARDEN WASN'T SCORING THE BALL!!!! You don't court a guy all off season, convince him to sign a max contract, and then go tell him to go stand in a corner half the time he is on the court. That's ridiculous.

    Instead we've gone away from Dwight for multiple season and have failed and now we are finally failing big time. We jack way too many 3's for such poor shooters and we run away from Dwight and into turnovers because we don't want Dwight to get the basketball. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to leave. And I really can't blame him for checking out. This season has sucked. We've had no leadership. Harden has sucked the big one. He's been a piss-poor leader. Harden would rather take the risk of driving into the double team, then throw it to Brewer at the 3-point line for the 29% 3-ball shot, while getting the ball stripped or getting the pass stolen an exorbitant amount of times then to just run the simple ugly-duckling dump-down to Howard when Howard has sealed out and is standing there waiting to catch and put the ball in the hole. That's why Harden has sucked this year. His leadership has been piss-poor. And it's why he sucks as a playmaker. Because he refuses to make the high percentage smart play that simply gets us a bucket instead of a highlight reel play. Harden has worked against Dwight all season. And it's culminating here and now.

    But we got guys wanting to go to the playoffs and watch the Spurs cut our heads off methodically so we can continue to blame Dwight and others who are not the problem. Beyond dumb. Beyond ignorant. Just sheer stupidity on display across this whole season and now across this bbs. And I can't believe that you, Dada, actually fell for it. But you have. Shame on you.
     
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  7. Rockets_12

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    What about trading a Capela/future pick for Nerlens Noel?
     
  8. Nice Rollin

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    It was?
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    pretty much this. excellent post.
     
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  10. Blurr#7

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    This.
     
  11. PhiSlamma15

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    Agreed. We just need a center that playes 2000 basketball not 1990's style
     
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    Seems like JVG was really the best coach for Dwight, it was where he saw most success and it was not by random luck. He is reenacting it in Det. Rox haven't gotten a clue how to use him.

    Or is Dwight the problem since he cannot find a home?
     
  14. DreamShook

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    agreed.

    I wonder what the rebuttal will be.

    thread is getting stranger.. and stranger....
     
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  15. count_dough-ku

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    Good. This team needs to move on. Clear that cap space, suck for a few years, stockpile young talent, hire a competent head coach, and rebuild for the future.

    The problem is Les Alexander has never been willing to do this since buying the team, so we're likely looking at another rush job on rebuilding which means horrible trades and free agent signings.
     
  16. amaru

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    I think we all knew this, but it is good to have it confirmed.
     
  17. PeppermintCandy

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    Even if Howard is a star in decline, he is still a top tier player and if he goes it's going to be tough to replace him. Dreaming of Durant and Horford is fine, but we all know how hard it is to sign one star FA let alone two.
     
  18. SF3isBack!!

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    No one is saying Dwight leaving is the only answer that we need to seek. Dwight leaving is the answer to only one problem and yes he is a problem this year. There are a list of players and coaches that need to go with him as well.
     
  19. delishman

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    Wow.. found myself agreeing with BBhollic. Great post.
     
  20. mr. 13 in 33

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    DD must be a happy man after reading this
     

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