1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Howard & Harden Era has FAILED

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DFresh, Mar 20, 2016.

  1. Corpusfan

    Corpusfan Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,093
    Likes Received:
    360
    You're just now declaring this? It has been pretty obvious almost since the beginning of the season. Of course there will be big changes this offseason. At least the Beasley addition makes the rest of this season interesting. I hope we get to see more of Goudelock too. There are other players worth keeping next season, too -- Capela, Ariza, Harrell. Personally I'd like to keep Motiejunas.
     
  2. Liberon

    Liberon Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    8,838
    Likes Received:
    842
    I think Harden is an immature wreck and so is Howard. I hate to say it but having a family and dedication to only one woman might make these guys better players. Having that one woman and children keeps a guy grounded and motivated to be better.
     
  3. Jontro

    Jontro Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    34,430
    Likes Received:
    22,183
    As long as this team is profitable, it's a success. Amirite Le$?
     
  4. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,717
    Likes Received:
    29,108
    No successful Era since the Hakeem Era
    and no successful era before then either

    Cause Harden and Howard
    has been more successful than any era since then

    Rocket River
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. SF3isBack!!

    SF3isBack!! Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,163
    Likes Received:
    1,879
    The key to your statement are the words "has been". The new era will be Harden and someone else, it's time to say goodbye to the circus show that is Dwight Howard.
     
  6. OTMax

    OTMax Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    8,352
    Likes Received:
    3,670
    Yeah we need mature stars with stable lives. People might find this silly, but a grown ass man who keeps smiling through losses and joking around while playing poorly and another who hands out dollar bills at strip clubs for every point he scores that night is not exactly what you want out of your stars correct?

    I'd say this era has indeed been an utter failure, mainly because of these two guys, Morey & Leslie who banked on running and gunning and did not believe in getting a good coach. This organisation has lacked a good vision ever since big Yao went down and actually since Leslie took over we've been star chasing and got lucky we let JVG & Adelman run their own show for the most part. After Yao went down, it was all Morey & Leslie.

    I will take the Yao-Tracy era over this one any day too. Two good coaches, great role players, the 22 game winning streak, the 2009 playoffs. I felt a lot better about that one run than I ever did last year. It was a lot of hard work over the year that paid off in a second round appearance where we showed heart and never gave up.

    The Harden era is still not over though so maybe in a few years we just look back at this part with Howard as the failure.
     
  7. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,932
    Likes Received:
    111,122
    Alternatively, it's possible that with Howard gone, we still struggle, and then we'll know at that time that it wasn't just Howard as the failure. Time will tell.
     
  8. Jontro

    Jontro Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    34,430
    Likes Received:
    22,183
    To me, it's more of schitty coaching era. A stern coach who isn't clueless like JB and mchale would have done wonders with this motorless team.
     
  9. Exiled

    Exiled Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    4,901
    Likes Received:
    1,185
    I.Cannan and Dwight have a great chemistry
     
  10. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    d12 has checked out, JSmoove is good as gone, Brewer is so up and down. It doesn't matter who's here if James doesn't play D. You can't cover him up
     
  11. RedEyesKirby

    RedEyesKirby Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2012
    Messages:
    1,025
    Likes Received:
    67
  12. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,840
    Likes Received:
    43,269
    This. I feel we are back to "Kicking the can" and "Why are we not as great as the Spurs or GSW?"theme

    We are just not that great feeling
     
  13. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    15,916
    Likes Received:
    1,601
    BULLCRAP that it was "overrated"

    All comebacks are due to one team's play getting worse for a stretch and the other team's play getting better. Its not like the Clips just "handed" Rockets the games, they had to earn it away.
     
  14. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,840
    Likes Received:
    43,269
    The hard fought series win against the Clips felt like a miracle

    1 in 5 or 6 years kind of miracle, that WC finals outing was that rare
     
  15. FANfrom86toNow

    FANfrom86toNow Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2014
    Messages:
    4,199
    Likes Received:
    3,284
    It hasn't failed, it just hasn't lead up to it's FULL POTENTIAL, or won us a championship.

    Anytime you make it to the Western Conference Finals with a DUO in a 3 year period, it is a success no matter how you got their, just not the ultimate success.

    We also won our division last year in God knows how long. So definitely NOT a fail.

    Moreso a lack of COACHING to really make it work from day one.
     
  16. buffalobills!!!

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    1,996
    Likes Received:
    521
    Got dominanted by the Clippers most of the series (including the games without Paul). We needed a miracle to win turn the tide. Being the best of the pretenders when you have Dwight and Harden and are trying to "win now" is failure
     
  17. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    33,376
    Likes Received:
    24,379
    1) The 1-3 comeback was EPIC and will be mentioned every time a team is down 1-3 and plenty times when a team is down 1-2.

    2) Advancing to the Conference Finals is a historical and a respected, notable franchise happening.

    Those 2 feats are better than anything postseason since Olajuwon.


    Does the 22-game winning streak beat either of those H&H feats?

    2015 Rockets also have the best record since Olajuwon.
     
  18. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,246
    Likes Received:
    24,297
    It was not just any comeback. It was a one in a thousand chance comeback. (I believe there was a metric that said the Rockets' chance of winning the game at one time toward the end of the 3rd quarter was about .01%.)

    The comeback is not overrated. It was epic. I loved it. The WCF appearance is overrated. People keep using that as if we were legitimately the second best team in the West. We were only one of a few teams that had a chance getting there. The Spurs could have beaten the Clippers and then beaten us. The Clippers would have beaten us if not for that miracle choke job. Do you remember that we were blown out 3 times and on the way to the fourth time in that series? The point differential was -3 despite the fact that we won one more game. We could have lost HCA if the Spurs didn't mysteriously lost their final regular season game.

    Even Morey admitted that a lot of things lined up just right (meaning luck) for us to get to the WCF.
     
  19. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,246
    Likes Received:
    24,297
    Sorry. That was not really a hard fought series, other than a little more than a quarter. You guys really forgot how pathetic their effort was in about 3 3/4 games? We got blown out at home by the Clippers who just finished a really hard fought series against the Spurs and lost Chris Paul.
     
  20. houtown

    houtown Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    892
    Likes Received:
    115
    Even if this organization had Michael Jordan and those Bulls teams, they would be figure out how to ruin it at the time.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now