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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. ipaman

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    obamacare actually sucks major dick balls for my family. i was better off before. so fack me and mine for others?
     
  2. ghettocheeze

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    Tonight Rubio and Cruz need to rip to shreds Trumps healthcare proposal. Doesn't matter if their own ideas aren't that better. Focus on Trump and attack his "gorgeous beautiful plan" and force him into a confrontation over policy rather than mud slinging. This has to be focused, coordinated, and relentlessness. Every opportunity by Rubio and Cruz to speak should be an attack on Trump.

    There is nothing else left to debate. We have heard every version of every policy position Rubio and Cruz can come up with. When prompted about foreign policy, go back and attack Trump's healthcare proposal over and over again until Trump can't take it anymore. Trump can't debate policy and this is where Rubio and Cruz need to drag him and not in the mud where he relishes.
     
  3. Dubious

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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The ACA has been the biggest blessing to my parents ever. I'm sure that's the case for millions of others.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    I am not familiar with the particulars of your situation, so it isn't really something I can govern my political choices by. If you've had misfortune due to Obamacare, I'm sorry for you. I can't conclude that its bad policy because of that though.
     
  6. FishBulb913

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    Please elaborate. Dad kicked you off the plan?
     
  7. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    We need national health care, not a national health insurance requirement.

    Any of the GOP candidates believe that or are we going to continue to empower the insurance industry to suck money from our paychecks every month with larger deductibles and lower coverage forever?

    To bring this back on topic I can't wait to see the mud slinging and name calling tonight. Should make for some head shaking, oh no he didn't moments.
     
  8. Nook

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    The Trump appeal is very primal..... he has shown that he is the alpha in the room and that goes a long way. Rubio will never win, he **** himself when fat boy and Trump bullied him. Cruz comes across as someone that isn't an alpha either. We aren't talking about choosing your insurance agent, but the leader of the USA. Some people can look past the power dynamics, but many people cannot.....
     
  9. robbie380

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    Just curious but how has it been a huge benefit for them?

    For me I rarely go see the doctor anymore and I have only seen my copays and premiums go up. I haven't really seen the ACA do anything to control costs or excessive testing either.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Either Cruz or Rubio would wipe the floor with Trump in a one on one election. The ONLY thing that is keeping Trump in the lead is that there are so many candidates that all he has to do is get a plurality. He'd probably win a few states in a one on one scenario, but it would be pretty much a landslide for damn near anyone that ran against him.....just as will happen in the national election.
     
  11. kpsta

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    The debate tonight should be interesting. I'm looking forward to Megyn Kelly asking Donald a totally legitimate question and then seeing him excuse himself to go return some videotapes. :grin:
     
  12. ivanyy2000

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    Me either. My family's total deductible is $4000 this year. My family just avoid going to see the doctor unless my kid gets sick. Obamacare sucks donkey balls.

     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    If they are born here then they cannot be Mexicans or immigrants.
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    My parents got insurance through the ACA last year (no way they could afford it before because of their income) and this year my dad gets a little piece of metal shaving in his ear and went to an Urgent car to try and get it out. They couldn't and he had to see a specialist who said it had to come out via surgery. He estimates the cost of a stupid metal shaving from drilling a hole in a piece of steel would be around $6,000 if he didn't have insurance.

    My mom caught a zero stage limp on her breast and got it taken care of in less than a year. They don't make enough afford regular insurance pre ACA and made too little to get medicare or whatever welfare insurance it is.

    You're talking about random events that could set people back $50,000 if they didn't have insurance.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    And probably still could with co-pays....
     
  16. justtxyank

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    What do you mean?
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Having insurance doesn't mean that you don't have to pay for surgeries or doctors visits. A lot of the obamacare policies are garbage and they can have pretty high co-pays or deductibles to where people can't afford to really use the insurance.
     
  18. justtxyank

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    I don't think you know how "obamacare" policies work.

    You can't spend $50,000 in co-pays on an "obamacare" policy.

    There are serious issues with them, but that isn't one. All plans that are subject to the affordable care act have an out of pocket maximum that includes all deductibles, copays, prescription cost, etc. that can't exceed a number in the mid $6000 range. If you hit that number from any combination of cost you get 100% coverage for the remainder of the calendar year.
     
  19. JuanValdez

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    Just to be pedantic about, Mexicans can be dual-citizen and eligible to vote in the US. People can also self-identify as Mexican because of a Mexican heritage and nevertheless be a voting US citizen. Likewise, immigrants can be naturalized. And, immigrants can be US citizens born abroad that recently repatriated.

    The broader point though is that there are a lot of people who identify with or are related to the people that Trump villainized (illegal immigrants, and Mexicans generally, in particular), and take his comments personally.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Sure, not 50k in co-pays unless you go to the doctor A LOT, but you could absolutely have a deductible in the 13k range if you have a family plan. Sure getting hit with a 50K bill is worse than getting hit with a 13k bill but if you can't afford it, does it really matter?
     

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