Mods please feel free to lock my previous thread on NBA survey: It was too long and I want to make several sections/threads before I eventually come up with the ranking system. So that being said lets do this one step at a time. Center or Power Forward? Kurt Thomas Malik Rose Cliff Robinson Dale Davis Darko Milicic Antonio Davis Lorenzen Wright
I am just trying to assemble a list of players by position in the NBA and Im trying to gauge who belongs where based on what you guys think/say/vote.
all those guys you listed are power forwards. tim duncan is a center that's too big of a p***y to play the position.
I hate the Spurs as much as the next guy, but so what?? Seriously, hes the best PF in the game and he has 2 rings to prove it. What would playing C prove?? Also, I don't think much would change if he made the switch. He would still be the go to guy on that team, his scoring, rebounding and blocked shot #s would probably stay the same, if not go up, and in the end, he would be the 2nd best center in the league.
KT - 4 (primarily) MR - 4 CR - 3/4 (more a 3 than a 5) DD - 5 (primarily) DM - I have never seen him. Reprts are he's a 5, a heck of a 5. AD - 5 (primarily) LW - 5 (primarily) However, since these guys line up at different positions against these same guys, then how much does it really matter?
codell, this has nothing to do with the spurs. it's about players not playing their natural position...choosing instead to play against players they have a natural physical advantage over. while many will say "hey, that's a smart thing to do, if you can do it", it just rubs me the wrong way. this is the reason their are so few "true" centers in the league: guys like tim duncan (for example) are too afraid of the pounding to play in the paint. as a result, we have this hully gully 7 footers playing shooting guard crap that's taking the nba by storm. i guess i'm just old school like that....
Oh c'mon. Tim Duncan defends PFs. PFs defend Duncan. Duncan is a PF. It's like saying Eddie's a center because he's 6'11 and blocks shots. Can you really tell me that Duncan is afraid to take a pounding in the paint? He doesn't exactly play a perimeter game! There's a reason they moved Robinson to the high post when Duncan came to SA. He's not afraid to take a pounding in the paint. Who is? Garnett, maybe. Rasheed Wallace probably. Eddie Griffin? Most definately. But Tim Duncan? I don't buy it.
Verse, I see what you are saying, with regards to physical advantages. But the talent advantage Duncan would have playing against other centers would more than offset what he would lack in physicality. So in that sense, can't that also be considered a legit argument if he did switch to C(i.e. TD is a puss for playing a position where is no legit talent in comparison to the PF position (especially in the West))?? BTW, you say "choosing to play". Wasn't that the coaches decision where he would play?? I mean, come on. DRob was still one of the best Cs in the league when Duncan came in (albeit, past his prime). What makes more sense??? Switching an aging C into a different position and making Duncan your center or keeping DRob where he has earned his keep and letting Duncan learn the NBA at the PF position?
Simple -- TD helps out on D (more O 4s than 5s) while Rose's 5 helps out on TD. MR is not left alone to guard (legit) 5s.
Because Malike Rose is a backup C. He has been since hes been in the league. He posses no skills which suggest he can play PF, especially effectively as Duncan. Why would you want to reverse their roles when they have won 2 rings with the status quo???
i disagree. malik rose has shown every skill necessary to play power forward. put rose on the lakers, and what position do you think he'd play? codell, i cannot argue with the results of playing duncan @ 4 and rose @ 5. i cannot. i just don't like it, personally. to me, it changes the game negatively, since basketball, imo, is a big man's (center's) game. but when you have big men trying to avoid their natural position we get away from that.
well, since these days there really are no fine lines between the pf and C positions it looks like this pf:must be kinda big and tall and able to grab rebounds (unless name is maurice), height anywhere from 6'7 to 7'1, must be somewhat mobile. should be taller than sf if not a lot heavier. C: must also be kinda big and tall, optomistically taller and bigger than pf but if not, better pray the pf is really good. can be anywhere from 6'8-7'8 depending on current mutations. should at least be big enough to box out or set screens. optomistically can block shots, at least 1 a game but if he cant, the pf better be able to. in other words, due to the obscurity of usage, the positions work in relation to each other. if the pf is short or skinny, better make sure he is mobile and the center is big and tall (okay to be slow too). if the C is not so big or tall, better make sure the pf can compensate for those weaknesses. the combo of the positions must grab at least 13-14 boards together a game (unless the other positions are particularly good rebounders.) a pf on one team could easily be a center on another, depending how good the other position is (like malik can play center on the spurs because he was strong enough and playing next to td). it really depends what kind of role in their position they have to play in relation to their teamates. all those guys on the list could be both pf or c depending on what they need to do per game basis. some could even play sf considering some of the other sf in the game. in conclusion, with opposition to bush mentality, there is simply no black and white that everyone fits in, there are more grays than the black and whites combined. /long rant, not meant to insult but just my own 2 pennies
You are really being subjective Verse. The Lakers don't have a legit 4 and haven't in a while. Malik's game is banging down low and playing scrappy D and boardwork. In the high post, he is not an adept passer or shooter. Duncan is. So whats the point of playing Rose at PF when he is quite effective playing C and Duncan is an MVP at PF? You keep saying that Duncan is avoiding this. Are you saying that he came into the league and told the coach that he won't play C and will only play PF?? Now, I know you are going to mention the fact that Duncan was against a move to C when the Spurs were FA hunting this offseason, but why would an PF MVP want to move and give up his position to a lesser player?? In the end, I just don't see how you can critisize Duncan because of the position he plays. I understand how you feel about natural positions and you are right, its old school. The lines in between positions are much more blurred in today's NBA. You seem to be singling Duncan out unfairly.
