Seattle is not better than us with or without this trade, so it doesn't really matter. Indiana would really benefit from this deal though.
Considering Barry and Mobley have nearly identical 2003-04 contracts values, why wouldn't this work for the Barry/Artest swap? Perhaps someone in the media has (again) not gotten all of their CBA facts correct?
i thought artest was BYC & that the pacers would have to include part of their trade exception to make it work, no? well, either way, no matter what "extras" are necessary, i'd do it.
Ron Artest for Cuttino Mobley? Yes! Mobley is 27...Artest is 23. Mobley is 6-4...Artest is 6-7. Mobley is a better 3 point shooter...but Artest is considered defensive player of the year. Also...Artest is crazy. I would love this trade...especially if they added a 2nd round pick...but I think we are going to keep Mobley as part of our core.
Just for fun, and because the Artest trade smoke smells like fire to me (Artest somewhere besides Indy, that is): If Rox (or anyone else) want to deal with Pacers they’ll have to meet Indy’s needs and wants, too. If I am Houston, I offer (allowing for whatever insignificant tweaks are necessary for cap purposes, of course): Mooch Cat Cato For Artest Harrington Foster But, if I’m Indy I insist on EG instead of Mooch Or Bender instead of Harrington Which team gets the deal the way they want, or is there no deal?
xiki, I agree with you. But then, maybe it's just because I believe we need some size and defense. I know JVG mentioned that the 2 and the 3 are virtually interchangeable (whether or not he believes it I don't know; in NY, that's the way he had to coach), but I would prefer someone who can at least look Nowitzki/Jamison in the eye on defense (even though Nowitzki will probably just make the defender his beeyotch anyway). Bird has made some public statements to back Artest but he also said that Ron needs to get with the program. Artest was more of Isiah's player. Now that Croshere will be getting more PT, I see a bit of a logjam at the 3 in Indy. TSN mentions that the Rockets have been shopping Cat in order to land a 3. So.....who knows.
There is certainly no 'hints' coming from the Rox or insiders at BBS or even Berman, so I don't know -- I just don't think this is a JVG roster. I do think Indy is a good trade match for both teams' seeming wants/needs. I also suspect Kurt Thomas is odd man out with Knicks IF Dice is healthy AND they can find a 'legit' 5 (Seattle would be logical match up there).
verse - I guess I wasn't very clear....I was agreeing with you that the trade exception could be applied to almost any Artest trade. I was just curious why the person writing the article never picked up on it. Especially considering that BYC was one of their tenets as to why the trade coudn't work.
this post is the latest from the NYPost: http://www.nypost.com/sports/40033.htm TRADE WOULD NOT SURPRISE ARTEST By LENN ROBBINS September 11, 2003 -- For those who question if the volatile Ron Artest has matured, consider his take on the possibility of being traded. "Nobody's safe in the league," Artest said last night before the 11th All-Star Classic to benefit Wheelchair Charities Inc., at the Garden. "Guys like Tim Duncan, Shaq, Kobe won championships. Those are the only guys that should be safe. As far as me, I shouldn't be safe. I haven't done nothing. I can't even get past the first round. That's how it works." As reported exclusively by The Post's Peter Vecsey, the Pacers under new GM Larry Bird and new coach Rick Carlisle, are looking at dealing Artest to the Supersonics for Brent Barry. There have been reports that former Indiana coach Isiah Thomas was fired because he couldn't control Artest. "The way to control players, if I was a coach, and I had a player get out of line, I'd bench him," said Artest, who scored 21 points for the New York All-Stars . "That's what you do. You don't kiss nobody's rear end, because it stinks." Artest, who was solid in the Pacers' first-round playoff loss to the Celtics, said he has spoken to Carlisle and is certain the two can work together. But Artest shed no tears for Thomas. "No matter who was coaching, I feel the Indiana Pacers was going to make a major move," said Artest. "Jermaine [O'Neal] got better. Jonathan Bender got better. It doesn't matter who coaches us."
Have I begged for this kind of move yet? Ok, let me begin begging now. Please cd, cd, please, cd, please. That move would put one heck of a stamp on the team. Would I take Artest's size, toughness, and defense over Mobely's scoring? Hell yes. I want those shots redistributed anyway. I want the shots to be good shots. I want Francis to have an enforcer to set his picks and back him up when the enemy sends him crashing to the hardwood after launching. I want the steals, the size, the intensity. I thought Rudy lost some games, but I sure thought the team lost some too. The # 1 game losers - Griffin and Mobely. Why should I expect more out of Mobes after 6 years in the league? His head needs to roll. If Francis can't figure it out this year, cut off his head too- but give him every chance to make it, without a copycat competing for shots in the same backcourt.
This (BBS) is the only place I know of where Artest and Rox have been linked. As stated often, RA's contract status means a 'monster' deal would have to be effected for him to be dealt. Possibly a third team, and probably 30 mil in total traded salaries. Certainly possible, but no one-for-one slam dunk.
it doesn't has to be a "blockbuster", a 3 for 3 will do: Houston trades: SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.1 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.5 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) Houston receives: PF Al Harrington (12.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.1 minutes) SF Ron Artest (15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 33.6 minutes) SG Jamison Brewer (2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 8.0 minutes) Change in team outlook: +6.0 ppg, +5.5 rpg, and +0.7 apg. Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (12.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.1 minutes) SF Ron Artest (15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 33.6 minutes) SG Jamison Brewer (2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 8.0 minutes) Indiana receives: SF Bostjan Nachbar (2.1 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 14 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: -6.0 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and -0.7 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED the Pacers want to deal Artest & Harrington, they want an experienced point guard to back Tinsley up (Moochie), they need a proven scorer at 2 (Mobley), and Bird should like Nachbar as their back up 3 behind Bender.
Not that a deal would happen, but I still say Indy picked up a trade exception of $3-4 mil in the Sac/SA/Indy trade. So I don't think the BYC status of RA's contract would matter.
I think it makes the Sonics better. Artest is a nut, but he's a very good player when he's actually on the court. And Barry's nice, but he's not as multi-dimensional as Artest (after Artest developed a half-decent shot last year). I'm not a big Artest fan... but I'd do that if I were seattle. Wouldn't matter... we're still better than them... but if that's all Indiana wants for him, maybe we should make an offer.
