In the midst of playoff runs, teams generally make minor trades to address their needs. I hope Rudy & CD are working on something to help these guys make the postseason. Any deal made by the Rockets would have to fit all of these qualifications: *Short term: Any deal would have to address our immediate needs. I would be absolutely shocked if Rudy gave up on this team and started trading guys for capspace. That would be demoralizing. Any deal made would be made to improve our playoff chances. The one thing that would take this team to another level is another physical big man, preferably a vet. Olajuwon + X would give us a chance to atleast compete with the Western powers. [And Please don't bring up SAR. Another scorer is certainly <u>not</u> what this team needs. Not only that, but we do not need a midseason overhaul.] *Long Term: Keeping the above in mind, you don't want to throw away the future for a chance at the present. The ideal scenario would have the Rockets trade for a productive frontcourt player in the last year of his contract. *Shooters: I dislike Walt Williams as much as the next guy on this board, but he serves a huge purpose. I know it sounds sexy to load your lineup up with young athletes, but you need shooters to spread the defense. If Walt is traded, we have to make sure we get another shooter in return. Considering the above, my point is that we need to target Antonio Davis. He perfectly fits our immediate needs and he is also a free agent. I think a frontcourt of Davis, Taylor, and Hakeem is certainly respectable and would certainly help our playoff chances. Considering the fact that Toronto doesn't need Davis' capspace (because they don't attract free agents) and would want something for Davis, would Toronto accept a Rogers+Thomas+Cato+Draft-Pick = A.Davis+scrubs deal? Would you make that deal? ------------------ It is no rumor that Matthew Bullard is 30th on the NBA's all-time 3 point accuracy list. [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited February 13, 2001).]
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I'd do a Davis trade like that, it would dump some deadwood, dump Cato's contract, and give us added capspace this summer AND Davis' bird rights! ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . .
I would have done that trade yesterday. I dont think we should include a first round pick though. That would be giving up a little too much I think. A second rounder or two should be enough. Also I would try to keep either Carlos or Kenny. But if Raptors insisting on having both then oh well. ------------------ SUCK POLICE!!!!!! To point out individuals or teams that have managed to reach the pinnacle of SUCKINESS!!!!! ----- Strowshow has gone way beyond the point of SUCKINESS!
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thacabbage, nice to see you. I would love to see A. Davis as a Rocket, but I don't think that it will happen before this summer. Since the Raptors are in the midst of a playoff chase, and their biggest pr moves are directed towards Vince Carter, they could only lose by a move right now. BTW, I'm still nervous about Cato being on the roster. The Rockets will more than likely have to showcase Cato just to get rid of him... and they have no games to spare in this race to the playoffs. ------------------ Good night everyone, Canadian or American. Just remember that we're all bound together by basketball, the internet and the mullet. (My attempts at trying to sooth over an international incident).
yeah, cabbage, I would love to comment on whatever it is you wrote, but I am still in total shock just to see you back. Welcome. I am sure whatever you said is right, I can not remember ever disagreeing with you. CBFC ------------------ Join the Chucky Brown Fan Club
That has sort of been the deal with waiving Hakeem all season -- it would actually be bad for the team, unlike the perception of Ewing in New York, that he was dead weight. You are so right in saying we do not need another scorer eg. SAR. We have enough of those -- I would argue that Webber may not be necessary for this team to advance. It would be the Webber show, which is fine, but we truly do have enough people to put the bal in the hole. Adding more of these guys does not a championship team make. Someone has to pass, someone has to rebound. We need solid role players - defenders especially. Its why I love Shandon. We need guys like chucky br... aw, forget it. We are much closer than people think -- we do not need another franchise player. We've got one. And solid second tier dudes as well. Look at the sixers -- they might be our model. Their interior defense is so tight, and they do not have Shaq or whoever in the paint. It's all about Chemistry at this point. And Cato, I suppose. I dont think we should offer him a second ten-day contract, he did not do much on his first one. We should save that money and invest it in treasury bills. PS: Folks -- This is the freaking cabbage, we need to turn this into a 40 page thread, come on. CBFC ------------------ Join the Chucky Brown Fan Club
Great to see Cabbage back. Im looking forward to your next post in 5 months. I would love to get Davis, I think houston needs some defense upfront and he is the man. He is a veteran and hopefully he can teach mo somethings about defense. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
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Count me in as one who would like this deal with some tweaking.We are starting to roll,but I agree we need more in the short term,to at least challenge in the playoffs. I'd love to see Kenny and Walt in this deal I agree that if Walt goes then we need a shooter in return.Dell Curry fits the bill,perfectly.I think his contract is over soon too.Letting Carlos go would be regrettable,but,hey, he isn't used right anyway.I would then throw in a pick.....Cato might not be necessary,but if he is we better get another big body besides Davis.You know Cabbage,i really like it...not so much tweaking after all.Capspace and bird rights .....mmmmm...thumbs up..good for the long and short term.. ------------------
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The Raptors have already stated that they are not going to deal Antonio Davis even if it means him walking in the offseason. He is just too valuable of a commodity to let go for spare parts like the package Cabbage proposed esp while they are in the middle of a playoff push. In a center soft conference like the East, a player that can rebound and defend like Davis gives them a chance to make some noise in the postseason. Even if Davis walks, the Raptors would be better served saving the cap room to take on a mid level FA or trade a pick for a decent player under contract than take on cap ballast like Kelvin Cato. Until Kelvin Cato proves he can play consistently well and stay healthy, he is nothing more than a cap albatross. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
I wouldn't make a move just to try to get into the playoffs. I don't even know if such a move is possible. If we're going to make the playoffs, we're going to have to get extremely hot, period. The odds just aren't that good with a team like Phoenix 5 games ahead in the loss column. Getting that hot would seem to have to require incredible chemistry. Any deal could only hurt chemistry. cabby, good to see someone speak up against the need for an Abdur-Rahim.
OH MY GOD!!! Its the legendary "thacabbage"! I heard he had signed with the CBA and committed suicide when the league went broke... Seriously...Freak, as of right now we are only 4 games back on Phoenix. Still a pretty big hurdle, but not impossible. As for the trade, I would do it if the Raptors would go for it. I just don't see it happening.I mean geeze, get rid of Cato the Albatross-man, KT and Rogers for Davis? Definitely! I would really prefer getting rid of Walt, but thems the breaks. ------------------ "Excuse me while I whip this out!" Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles
what is that george, cabbage? yea...chicks dig it! 1. good to see you again! 2. i'm not prepared to give up on cato...just yet. i'd give him till the end of the season. 3. i can't believe you missed my intentional "iverson sux" daggers i've been tossing, hoping to resuscitate you. keep it up, kimchee!!!
Umm Not really, Fun. Sure. Sexy. NO I wouldn't make that deal. Roger is a good backup and provides us with a good energy players off the bench. Thomas si a good young scoring/rebounding big man. Cato is IMO still our center of te future. And our draft pick will be pretty high in the first round. Davis is a good big man. Good scorer and relentless on the boards. But IMO not worth four good young players that could turn out good. I am counting on the "Scrubs" being released/or permanently placed on the IR ------------------ President of the Charles Barkley fan club...Oh he retired? When?
Although we need a good rebounder like Jerome Williams,the chances of us getting him are very slim.Walt Williams is a very inconsistant shooter,on the rare occasions when he gets going we usually win,but the chances of him heating up in the second half of the season unlike last year is low.Therefore we should try to trade him before the deadline to a team that has good frontcourt players.The Heat need shooters and could use Walt off the bench despite his poor defence.We do need another shooter but are unlikely to get one for Walt,therefore we will have to give Bullard extra minutes.Walt is not going to get better next year either and might become a bigger liability than he is right now.I think we should try to get rid of Walt's contract by trading him for Cedric Ceballos who is in the last year of his contract and is a decent slasher despite the fact that he is not a good shooter or a good defender.Ceballos could be a backup for Shandon Anderson,and even if he doesn't do well we will be able to clear some cap room for next year with the departure of Walt Williams.By clearing cap room we could make a run for Antonio Davis next year,or use the money to resign Taylor and Anderson. ------------------
