Why are we not talking about the whale's vag--a in the room?

Speaking of ignoring whale vaginas in the room, there was that whole possibly career ending neck surgery thing.

 

So Rivers seriously considered retirement after the 2014 season

 

QB's are aging very well these days... especially a guy like Rivers, with limited injury history or arm/neck/nerve trouble.

With quick turnarounds happening every season as well... and teams like the Saints and Cowboys apt to hold on to their aging, expensive, yet still productive QB's... I don't see the Chargers bucking the trend and deciding to get rid of Rivers.

This entire thread, and subsequent made-up narratives and postulations reminds me a lot of the "Astros could trade Altuve!" take earlier this year. That Tony Kemp was on the cusp!

 

Huh?

Nothing wrong with proposing ideas/solutions, but at the same time don't get upset when it's pointed out how unlikely or improbable the idea is from coming true.

You really take things too personally... Much like whoever suggested the Astros were almost assuredly looking to move Altuve, and the made-up narratives and reasons why it could be true, and when that was thoroughly debunked/disproven (not to mention tony kemp wasn't the second coming of Joe Morgan), there was apoplectic response followed by silence.

Regarding this, even if the Chargers draft a QB, they're still better off keeping him around. They're unlikely to get close to decent value in return, and there's still the matter of another team paying his large extension (which wasn't a concern in the 1 year old article you keep drawing from). It would be more probable, but just as unlikely, for the Texans to make a run at Brees or Romo.

 

You honestly thought what I was doing was "pissing?" Develop a thicker skin, bro.

You use a lot of "we", "us", and "our" in these excessive/unnecessary paragraphs... when it was really just you proposing this *idea*, with plenty of people (us) shutting it down. Sounds like you're still considering it for the right deal... which would be a huge mistake considering the production Altuve is capable of and (more importantly) his extremely low salary.

The reason people haven't been talking about it is because the Chargers have absolutely no more desire to trade him... that went away with the extension that makes him virtually untradeable without a huge restructure... and we all know Phillip's reluctance to move anywhere, let alone another state.

Secondly, who do you suggest they trade for him? There aren't many 2-3-4 valuable assets for singular player trades in the NFL (for good reason... as you would likely mitigate any sort of improvement you'd gain with a QB if you weaken the roster elsewhere.

New Orleans, unlike SD, could be looking to restructure Brees' contract due to his exorbitant cap figure... hence why he may be more gettable if they commit to a total rebuild, but again he has to be on the market, and teams have to be actually looking to trade pieces in order to make them possible/probable/plausible (and overall discussion worthy).

 

It's interesting to read comments I made back in the day.

I still stand by that. :grin:

 

Strong work... must have taken you a good chunk of your morning to research all of this. I'm sure it helped you remember all the posts that were staunchly against trading Altuve at the time, for good reason... but yeah stand by quoting guys like Cangegrero and the rest of the knee-jerk reactions to an early slump (everybody needs to respect the 162 game schedule a little more... and Altuve's innate ability to find his level).

In the end, the point was how it would have been a dumb/bad move... but you so strongly believed in it (much like you do here, when you started this thread), and you get so engrossed/obsessed and attached to an idea/opinion, that you do take it personal (or simply just react poorly) when its viably shot down or disagreed with.

Hence why your reaction to me (and others) explaining why Rivers is a long (no)-shot reminded me to your reaction of when it was explained that trading Altuve was a long (no)-shot.

So think about that the next time somebody finds one of your GARM-like trade proposals devoid of much substance... before you simply resort to name-calling and accusing people of "pissing" on a thread. You take things too seriously/personally... when there should be far more wiggle room and ability to concede error for discussing opinions that are largely abstract and not black/white.

 

The bulk of this thread has been that there is no way the Chargers will do this not that the Texans won't love to do it. I love Philip Rivers. To say he's an upgrade at QB for the Texans is an understatement. I just don't think this is worth a lot of discussion since there is a tiny chance that it happens. As I mentioned before, we discussed the possibility at length before the he signed a contract extension that includes a no-trade clause.

 

Its the lack of guaranteed contracts effect.

A team that no longer wants an aging player can simply just cut him to get out of the last expensive years of the contract (minus the cap hit)... likewise, other teams would be reluctant to give up decent trade value for a player that is on the verge of being released.

There's also a vast difference in what is seen as "valuable future assets" in the NFL vs. other sports. In baseball, you have young/talented prospects... in basketball you have expiring contracts and future draft picks (but only 2 rounds)... in football, a 3rd-4th round pick would be the going rate in most trades, with only a 1st or 2nd round pick departing for a truly valuable player. There's still a huge unknown factor with draft picks, but there's also the fact that NFL 1st-3rd round picks are expected to be immediate starters or valuable future contributors, unlike other leagues' draft picks. But still, the fact that the MLB and Basketball players will be paid regardless of where they end up plays a role... and the only way to acquire that guaranteed contract would be via trade.

Rarely will you see a football team giving up on a young/talented player for an aging veteran... there's just too much day-to-day/week-to-week/season-to-season turnover in the NFL to jettison promising players that are in your control. There's also the injury/depth factor... depth far more important on NFL rosters as its a matter of when, not if, that you'll need to have viable injury replacements ready to go.

 

Because of the contract and salary cap. A lot of contracts are set up to allow teams to cut players towards the end of their contracts with not as much affecting the cap. You see them being cut or not being resigned than being traded. It's even worse when it's obvious that a team is ready to get rid of a player. The Texans couldn't even find a suitor for Andre Johnson and likely won't find one for Arian either. Teams would rather just wait for the player to get cut and claim him off waivers. When they are traded, teams don't get as much back for them. See Brandon Marshall (5th round pick), Jared Allen (6th round pick), and Haloti Ngata (4th and 5th).

 

Wonder what Rivers thinks about the Chargers and Rams reaching an agreement to share a stadium

 

Drafting a QB for San Diego maybe smart. But if the Chargers do, they keep Rivers. They can't trade him.

$18M in dead cap if they trade him. The first year the Chargers would save money on Rivers is 2018 and by barely.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/san-diego-chargers

 

I heard he just got his wife pregnant, again.