But if the jury's certain it is, and if we don't have or haven't looked at the same evidence as them in court, I don't think our doubt is analogous.
Very true. Also, I think of the family of the murder victim and unless they were involved somehow, it makes little sense they would want the wrong person convicted. If it was me, I would be hell bent on finding the right person who killed a family member of mine. I get the feeling most folks would feel the same. My own personal opinion is that the cops probably framed a guilty man (Steven Avery) and that the kid Brendan Dassey got railroaded.
So Avery and his nephew cleaned up all blood in the garage trailer with bleach, but didnt bother with the few smears in the rav 4.....
Lessons learned? Always have money to hire a good lawyer. Never talk to police alone Try to have video surveillance installed throughout the house Last but not least, do not trust people entrusted with "protecting and serving".
Alright so the meeting with Avery and Halbach before she is murdered, was that just a coincidence? Do we assume hes that unlucky? I just wonder if lets say Halbach rescheduled to a later date, does all of this happen? If the cops were planning something, they caught a hell of a break when a lady that meets with Avery, ends up going missing. Must be like winning the powerball.
I think that was a point of contention for the defense. At some point in the documentary they commented that the prosecution was claiming that it's possible the key was on top of the dresser or behind it somehow, and when it was moved/shook it fell on the ground and a slipper fell on top of it. I suppose it was Lenk, the first day they arrived, which they weren't even supposed to be there, happened upon the key. I *think* that's how it went down?
That was their explanation. The documentary said the key was found after the dresser had already been COMPLETELY emptied of all items previously and no key or any other evidence found during that search. Certainly the evidence the jury sees is not the same as what we see and the hours of testimony in the documentary are just highlights of what the jury heard each day. The most suspicious items are highlighted for the viewers and just one part of hours of testimony each day for jurors that they may or may not pick up on completely. The whole DNA test on the bullet with the lab technician's DNA mixed in to the control should have been thrown out. Any scientist knows that. Plus the idea that the bullet went thru the victim's head and that only put enough DNA on the bullet for one test is pretty hard to believe. Knowing what the documentary provided would make me vote not guilty because of reasonable doubt (which certainly is not the same as innocent).
Not sure if this interview was posted already, but it is pretty good: [youtube]-Wlh7DiXgik?[/youtube]
I don't think it's a coincidence. Someone set him up (not necessarily the police), but someone who knew that if there was any evidence at all leading to Avery, then the police would get tunnel vision.
I have a question for those who think he did it, but that the cops also planted evidence. If he killed her then the rav 4 never left his property. Obviously the key was planted (we can all agree on that) so how did the cops get the key? If Avery did it the key would have always been at his property. So?
I don't think most people believe that the cops were planning on this prior to Halbach's death or that they killed Halbach. If you believe the cops planted the evidence, it's much more likely that the opportunity to frame him was indeed a crime of opportunity that would not have happened if someone did not murder Halbach. Avery's lawyers believe that the cops framed Avery, but they also said that their primary motive was likely because they truly believe he is guilty and are trying to guarantee his conviction. I don't think that is any more unlikely than finding her car key on the SEVENTH search of the same area on the floor in plain sight next to a desk which had been completely emptied of all contents and searched already. I mean we are supposed to believe the mastermind who managed to destroy all DNA evidence from the murder scene decided to leave the key to his victims car in his own room which had already been searched six times previously on the floor under some slippers? Or even behind a desk which had been completely emptied already? It's certainly possible that Avery killed Halbach, but it's very hard to believe that it happened any way close to how the prosecution presented it. Who says it HAD to occur on his property? The cop called in her license plate prior to the car being found on Avery's property. As the documentary explained, police calling in license plates is generally done when a car is found and needs to be identified. The cop then tells the dispatcher what make and model it is. Suspicious at the least. It's certainly possible that they found the car, perhaps even with Halbach's body, some where else and moved it to an area on Avery's property where it would quickly be found. It's a salvage yard, so why Avery would choose not to crush the car in the car compactor or at the very least remove the license plates and put it deep inside rather in on of the front rows? Why wasn't his DNA found on the steering wheel or interior if he drove it? He left blood in the car of both his own and his victim in fairly easy to spot locations, but wiped down every possible place he might have touched while driving? Why not dump the car off his property? If Avery killed Halbach it almost certainly happened in a way completely different from what the prosecutors described.
