Did anyone watch the Democratic Debate last night? If you didn't watch the debate, pontifications are welcome -- but so are appropriate disclaimers of such. I thought Kucinich kicked a$$. Kerry did well, too, but I was mildly disappointed in Dean. Carol Moseley Braun was also great. Wish she had more support.
Kucinich lit into Dean's record, saying that comparing running Vermont to running the United States was ludicrous. It was vicious. Dean was shamed.
Well, Dean didn't *really* compare running Vermont to running the United States, but Kucinich did handle Dean's responses very well.
I didn't watch it...football takes precedence over politics on my television. But I did hear that Dean was more subdued than usual.
amen, brother! though coming out of the Lyric Centre this morning from a deposition, I heard two guys talking about how they hope they can recruit Clark to run alongside Dean.
Yeah, I thought looooooooong and hard about that decision. Had the teams been better (yuck), I would have watched the game, no doubt.
How will Dean recover from his latest debate debacle? In the first debate, he got into an angry, bitter spat with Kerry, after diminishing the importance of Kerry's military record. Now he is the recipient of a slapdown from Kucinich after attempting to draw parallels between his actions as governor of Vermont and his actions (hypothetical of course) as President. Dean should quit going to the debates. He is severely damaging his candidacy by doing so.
yeah, that Dean might as well quit, move to Texas, get his daddy to help him get a job with the front office of a baseball team, and retire from politics
Yawn. You said the same thing about Kerry on Meet the Press. I wasn't able to watch the debate as I was in Alabama (apparently the only state in the union that didn't carry it), but I read every story about it. Nobody carried the Kucinich stuff -- no major newspaper nor MSNBC or CNN TV coverage. Some of them talked about Lieberman's attacks on Dean, but they all said Dean's strategy was to remain above the fray and that it basically worked. Everything you suggested Kerry said about Dean on Sunday was true of Bush in 2000 and everything you suggested Kucinich claimed was true of Clinton in 92 (and Jerry Brown made the same charges). They both got elected. Well, Clinton did. Bush didn't exactly lose, though. Why are you so scared of Dean, by the way?
Batman, I saw Kucinich rail on Dean on FoxNews, PBS, and CNN. Dean talked for a little bit about how well things were going in Vermont, then Kucinich took the floor and said something to the effect of, "How can you compare running Vermont to running the United States? I mean, Vermont doesn't even have a military! How will you pay for all of the social services? Hellll-oooo?" When he said "hellll-oooo", he did it with a very condescending, sarcastic tone, after which the audience erupted in laughter. I really don't know how you missed this. It has been the feature story on the debate. Dean is spiraling out of control -- he truly is. Each debate he goes to results in unmitigated disaster. His candidacy is on suicide watch right now. Don't get me wrong, I would *love* for Dean to get the primary nod. He would take a severe beating in the general election, the likes of which we have not seen since Dukakis.
I didn't see the debate. I watched the Chris Matthews' Hardball recount. All three guests agreed that Dean played the laid back frontrunner guy position well. Everyone agreed that he didn't lose his position. Interesting no body mentioned the Kucinich thing that you said was played up on what you watched. I think the three guests were a Demo, a conservative Tony Blankley from the Wash Times and Howard Kutz sp? who I would describe as a prowar moderate. They seemed to think Kerry just isn't doing much. Gephardt might have scored a few points and Lieberman might have avoided eliminatin, but not much more. The clip they showed of Kerry made me think he is whipped. He made Gore look like a ball of fire. I am disappointed in Kerry as on paper he seems like the guy.
Just to be clear, I like Kucinich too, but he's not a contender. He's vegan, by the way. He's trying to take the insurgent title from Dean, which makes sense. But it doesn't matter if he succeeds. Dean doesn't need that title anymore. glynch: I saw that report, too. Jorge: Suicide watch? Okay, buddy. I'm not committed to a candidate yet, but Dean remains the clear frontrunner and you remain in a fantasy world. The race is still wide open but no one has momentum but Dean. He didn't do anything special to help himself in the debate, but he had the most to lose and he lost nothing.
just to be clear, Kucinich has zero chance he's got the personality of an eggplant and no constituency he's not a threat to anyone
Not a whole lot going on with that motley crew. 2004-to-January of 2009's gunna be pretty bleak. At least in September of 1991, we had Cuomo, plus Tsongas and his lisp to keep us warm. Looks like the Bush family's real revenge won't be on the Clinton legacy, nor Iraq, but all those bad "one-term" jokes. Speaking of September of 1991, it's good to see Richie Gephardt's hair hasn't changed much. Why the hell are idiot Dems giving him credit for actually being honest ("a miserable failure") for the 8th time in his life?
