From NBA TALK: 'They have a great young nucleus, and any time you could play with a Grant Hill or a Tracy McGrady, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of something like that,' said Webber, . 'The main thing with me is that I don't have to be 'The Man' on the team. That could be Grant or Tracy. I want to be somewhere where there's lots of talent and has a chance to win a championship and win every night.' ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim!
Don't pay attention to anything Webber says anymore. I heard him the other day on the local sports radio show and he just foamed at the mouth about playing in NYC with Spree. He said the same things about playing in Houston. He said the same thing about Orlando. The guy is just marketing himself. If you ask me, he will end up in NYC. ------------------ Sleepless in the Bronx
Actually, what i found to be intersting is that he mentioned that he didn´t need to be "the man". I second your thoughts about what he is saying and where he will end up. ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim!
I'm tired of hearing about Webber and NYC. Please tell me Almu what the Knicks are going to offer for Webber. Please tell me, more importantly, what the Kings are going to take back for Webber. Tell me that the Kings are anxious to get an undersized LJ at his ridiculous contract. Tell me that they're just looking to get Camby just to prove he can last for 30 games in the WC. Tell me that Allan Houston has already said that he would love to go to the Kings. Tell me that he won't opt out to go somewhere else. Webber can b@#$ch and moan... but the Kings have needs to. ------------------
What if he pulls a Brian Grant and decides that he wants to go to NY like Grant did to Miami? No one in their right mind would´ve thought that Miami could get Grant by giving up Gatling and Weatherspoon. And yet, it happened. Just like Mcgrady for picks. Let´s face it: players can get wherever they want to. ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim!
I don't think it maters what the Kings needs are. Webber is a FREE agent at the end of the year. He can go where he wants with out one single consideration for the Kings. Personally I hate the Kings. I hope he leaves with out doing a sign and trade and the Kings get nothing for him. Lets see how far the Kings get in this league with an aging Vlade Divacs and an overated JDubb as their stars! ------------------
Dream didn't ... ------------------ its all good and fun till someone gets hurt ... then its absolutely hilarious!
Dream happens to be under a contract. That makes things a little harder, wouldn´t you agree? He can´t exactly threaten to walk way and leave the team with nothing in return. ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim!
He can't go to the Knicks unless he wants to play for the exception. For the Knicks to get him, it would require a sign and trade. ------------------ "Knickerbocker Please!" visit www.swirve.com, coming January 20th, the top 10 films of 2000! http://www.geocities.com/clutch34_2000 for great Rocket insight by some of your fellow BBS posters!
NY needs a Webber just like Webber needs NY. big men need big markets to get the endorsements they deserve. guards are so flashy that they can get deals even if they live in Canada. If webber wants to be in NY he WILL be in NY webber has NO major shoe deal. i think that would change in NYC He would be on billboards, in got milk ads, on the sides of buses. he will be getting MAX saleries, and big time endorsements. I dont think he owes the kings that much. also I dont thinkthe Knicks give a damn. they will give up LJ, kurt thomas, and someone like Kris childs. i would be suprised if they gave up Houston(everyone loves Houston) the Knicks would be one PG away from a Dynasty. they would have 1 superstar, and 3 VERRY adaquit players in Houston, Spree, and Camby. than the Knicks would use a bunch more of their megabucks to buy some more roleplayers, and a good PG. than the east would have 2 verry west coast looking teams(NY , MIAMI) ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
1) Jerry Buss does not want to pay the luxury tax. That rules all personnel decisions in LA. 2) Do you think that LA would ever trade Kobe for Chris? Sure it might be great on paper, but not for their bozo fanbase. 3) Chris wouldn't go just to get traded for Shaq. Shaq O'fetching Neal has trouble getting the ball from Kobe, and the coach can't do anything about it. I seriously doubt anybody wants to play w/ that guy. Can you think of a single example in which a FA player that needed a sign & trade to get what he wanted burned his former team in the process? I can't. I think that you guys seriously underestimate the rationale of a GM that's about to lose a FA to another team. Geoff doesn't have to take crap just because he's losing Webber, that's ridiculous. For example, if my wife walks out on me I'm not going to take her fat friend "just to have compensation", that's stupid. Allan Houston is about to opt out. He'll go to Sacramento if he wants to go to Sacramento. Look at LJ's contract. If you were the Kings would you pick him up as a FA w/ that load? Noone in the league would. Would you pick up the baggage that Glen Rice has on his contract when Peja is better? Would you pick up the contracts of long term scrubs just to make your disgruntled FA happy? Hell no. The Knicks simply do not have the firepower to pull this one off... not w/o serious help. ------------------
I agree about NY. Who would you possibly send who would stick around? The Knicks would have to involve a 3rd team. Since the Kings will hold onto CWebb until the season's over, that means the Knicks would have to really work the phones after the season. In that time, we can make our move. I wouldn't pay any attention, either, to whatever he says this All Star weekend. Of course he's gonna say "Orlando!" and "New York!" while hanging out with Spree and Tracy. But I also agree with this thread's starter, Thanos. His comments about not being "the man" are telling. In other words, he doesn't need to be the #1-and-only option on a contending team. With our draft picks in a deep draft, and our young, explosive team (especially Cat and Steve), we're in serious contention. I suppose we can fear Orlando's sign-and-trade possibilities, but that's another complicated issue for the Magic. On July 1, he can fly to Houston and say, "Where do I sign?" (I hope.) Besides, if he dislikes the lack of diversity in Sacramento, what will he think of Orlando? Never underestimate the value of smokescreens. And of enticements: Chris is like a guy on the beach at Rio: she's hot; she's hot; she's damned fine---knowing he can have ANY woman he wants. (Eh, Thanos? O que e que 'ce acha?) And never underestimate our organization. The Rockets are good at flying below radar. (Bad pun, couldn't resist.) ------------------
What did we give up for Scottie Pippen? I don't remember losing much to chicago for him in that sign and trade deal. Just trying to think of an answer to ur question. Honestly I'm tired of hearing what webber has to say. The only time I will care about his opinion is when the bidding begins this summer for his services. By the way he would be INSANE if he went to the Lakers. I know he said he doesn't have to be the man but i'm sure he hopes to get the ball every once in awhile. You already have Shaq and Kobe fighting over the ball, how could u add CWebb to this picture and not expect problems? ------------------
Roy Rogers, Trigger and a second round draft pick. Scottie was rumored to have wanted to go to LA. Krause reportedly pushed Scottie towards Houston b/c he didn't want the burdensome cap junk that LA was trying to push on him (NBATalk reported that Krause asked for Kobe, later w/ the HOU/POR trade it became evident that Buss was also concerned about the luxury tax). I'm still at a loss w/ this question. All of the most recent FAs didn't force 'compensation junk' on their former teams. Orlando had enough cap space to sign McGrady and Hill. DET and TOR played along for beneficial purposes. CHI maintained cap space and got a free 2nd rounder for their Scottie Pippen troubles. I'm sure at the time they were also under the impression that they were making 'good' w/ Scottie and potential FAs. Glen Rice was a FA this past year, but the Lakers decreased payroll and filled a need at PF. Eddie Jones left Charlotte, but it seems as if Charlotte did well in that trade w/ Mashburn and PJ Brown. The most convincing example is the one that someone previously threw out: Brian Grant to Miami. To be fair though, to get Chris Webber to NY in a trade comparable to the Grant/Kemp trade is to find a team that would think any of the NY tradeables: LJ, Camby and Childs as mentioned before, better than what that team has now. Fine, it's probably doable, but find a team willing to pay the last $20 million+ for LJ's contract when he produces at KT's output at KT's height. Does Charlotte want LJ? Does Sacramento want DC? No. Does Vancouver want LJ? Detroit? Or maybe Petrie dish would like to point Chris towards Houston. Houston sends Maurice at $5-6M/year and a huge trade exception (plus picks). That's not junk compensation. That's making the best of a situation. ------------------
b/c Mr. Webber whispers sweet words about every body I refuse to be led on by him! I would rather have SA-Rahim ------------------ Cynthia in Phoenix? Hakeem not in Houston? Say it aint so!!!
Portland got hosed when Brian Grant left. To get a S&T for himself to NY or LA, C-Webb would have to convince the Kings that he was bolting for a team that had cap room like Eddie Jones did by pretending he was going to Chi-town to make Charlotte sign and trade him to Miami. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
McGrady for picks wasn't really a deal. It was just so McGrady could get a little more money (12.5% raises instead of 10%), and would've signed for a max deal with Orlando regardless if Toronto would've been willing to let him get that extra couple million. The exception going up a couple mill is also relevant....would CWebb accept 4 mill to go to NY? I don't find his Sacramento comments as his wanting out at all. I see it as Webber saying "I'm probably leaving" to get more teams to: A.) Pursue him B.) Clear cap to be able to pursue him. The more that do this the more hype he gets=the more press=more money through endorsements. If they lose Webber, they're basically at the cap. If they can drop Divac (he's making 10 mill a year?!) then they could pick up a max player. The only semi-logical sign and trade from the Kings standpoint would be if Allan Houston wanted to go play in Sacramento, or if the Kings for some odd reason wanted Glen Rice. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
While I can't see Webber signing for anything less than the max, the choice is still his. If he wants to sign in NY for their exception he can. This is one senario where Webber has the control. I would prefer him to come to Houston obviously. ------------------
Its kinda obvious what C Webb does, he wants to keep all attention on him. This summer he will drag out his decision between 3 or 4 teams. He will get all the money he can out of this. and frankly I think that the "I dont wanna be the man" quote is a lie. I dont think he would be happy in Orlando. ------------------ May I have another Snowball Clutch? Please may I? Ill be a good little mole.... I promise.
I don´t think so. He has mentioned that he wouldn´t mind averaging 15 and 8 playing next to Shaq. He is the man in Sac. How far did he get being the man? He wants to play with good players and win a championship. He is getting the big bucks wherever he goes. His comments about his teammates´ lack of effort also ring the same bell. He wants to win. If we end up with a winning record, and maybe in the playoffs, and SAC has a short run in the post-season, we have a great shot. And if we get webber, we may be able to keep Hakeem around here too. If he is willing, that is. ------------------ President of the Official Welcoming Committee for Shareef Abdur-Rahim! [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited February 10, 2001).]
