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Book: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr. Clutch, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Oh yeah, this is obviously the case, judging by the very high quality of beautiful women that Bill pulls in. I mean, is there anyone on this planet hotter that Hillary, Monica Lewinsky or Gennifer Flowers? I think not.
     
  2. pgabriel

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    Maybe he should choose his women from the strip club, now there is where you will find quality women.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    There are conflicting reports, but on second thought, yeah they probably were working with CIA evidence, and even if it wasn't artight he felt it was a legitimate target. If only he had sustained the attacks.
     
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  5. Maynard

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    i think in that book link I posted, he talks about Clinton wanting to put Special Forces on the ground in Afghan but was talked out of it...only IF eh?

    there will be a LOT of only if's, once we figure out all the warning signs we missed or ignored, all the things we could of done differently, both Clinton, Bush, Congress, CIA, FBI, NSA......
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Yes there are, and this book is starting to figure that out. The CIA and FBI would share blame as well, Tenet was at that meeting I believe, and opposed striking bin Laden.

    Besides assigning mistakes this book also puts the war in Iraq in a different context. How much evidence did we have that bin Laden was involved in those attacks? Clearly it would have been wrong to wait for 100% concrete evidence in responding to bin Laden, as it would be in attacking Iraq.
     
  7. Oski2005

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    That Sudanese offering Bin Laden on a platter story is total bull sh*t.

    The only person who contacted them was a Pakistani American investment banker with Sudanese oil interests. Part of the bargain was to lift sanctions off of Sudan, a terror sponsoring and slavery sponsoring state. When the US contacted Sudan about the deal, they said they had not offered any such deal. The Pakistani guy who claimed to be the middleman now works for Fox News as a foreign affairs analyst.


    Didn't we arrest and prosecute all the guys involved with the 93 bombing of the WTC?

    I admit nothing happened directly after the Cole bombing, but if you see what we are doing now, it is basically what Richard Clarke had proposed when Clinton asked him to come up with a plan after the Cole bombing, which took place in October. His plan called for breaking up Al Queda cells, nabbing their leaders, stopping their funding, freezing their assets, and to go into Afghanistan covertly to look for Bin Laden. That plan was finished in December, Clinto was already a Lame Duck prez, Bush was sworn in in January. The plan was then put on the backburner until AFTER 9/11.

    Reagan's ambassador for counterterrorism gave Clinton "very high marks" in a Washington Post interview. He also said that "the only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama, which made him stronger."

    Please.

    It's time for the "Blame Clinton" crowd to find a new hobby.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Let the record show that this personal insult was unprovoked. This has happened countless times over the past week.

    This pattern of behavior continues to plague the BBS.
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    Damn straight. The last person T_J wants to see in the booth next to him at Treasures is Bill Freaking Clinton. Bert Keller, on the other hand, is a completely different story!!!!
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Treating it as a crime rather than a terrorist attack was a mistake. The CIA should have been allowed to get involved.

    Clarke wanted an immediate response after the Cole bombing, he didn't want to go do some plan. The CIA and FBI and other members of the admin. delayed teh response.

    I do not know what Bush did, it is possible his anti-Clinton attitute may have caused him to make the wrong decision as well.


    Well, this book is very well sourced, it isn't just speculation. It will be interesting to see what hard facts it comes out with.
     
  11. Oski2005

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    Well, I guess somebody here is gonna have to read it and get back to all of us. A title like that though, just doesn't sound like a well researched book, more like a daily segment from Sean Hannity's radio show.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Agreed on the title. Way over the top. I thought it was a hack piece until I saw all the sources and inside info he had. But who reads books? I just read the reviews and commentary on the books.
     
  13. GreenVegan76

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    Books are for suckers.
     
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    I'll say it again:

    Terrorists are responsible for terrorism. No one else. Thank you.
     
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    insert George W. Bush every time you see the name Bill Clinton above, and it looks like this forum on any given day.
     
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    You critics are bordering on ridiculous. The salient point is that Clinton was offered up OBL on a platter after the WTC and before the 96 election. He passed.

    Boy, would that have changed history!

    The book's author points up that the book is extensively researched and much of his material comes from the books that Clinton aides had already published. He interviewed the Sudanese etc.

    Clinton apologists unite!! :D
     
  17. Oski2005

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    Read my first post.
     
  18. giddyup

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    I did. What are your credentials?

    This from The Drudge Report: " For more than two years Miniter interviewed soldiers, diplomats and intelligence operatives in Middle East, Africa, and Europe but found his best sources were, to his surprise, top level Clinton administration officials including former National Security Advisor Tony Lake, former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Clinton’s counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, and former Director of Central Intelligence James Woolsey."
     
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    I do agree that your last sentence, read alone, is true.
     
  20. Oski2005

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    Do you have a direct quote about the Sudan deal? You listed some names, but you didn't say anything specefic about what went down. I just read about this in Franken's book and he talked to Sandy Berger as well. Sandy Berger met with the guy, his name is Mansoor Ijaz, he works for Fox News now, and he could tell right away that he couldn't count on him and that he was just out for financial gaine. The US doesn't do business with self appointed middlemen. They went straight to Sudan and they offered no deal.

    If you don't believe Berger, then read this book and tell me how it actually went down.
     

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