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Book: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr. Clutch, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Here is a short summary from Drudge:

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm

    This guy was on Hardball with Chris Matthews yesterday, and he is very well sourced. The most striking thing was the arguments Bill Clinton's adminstration made against striking Afghanistan and bin Laden's terror network after the Cole bombing. Very reminiscent of the arguments against the Iraq war.

    The reasons included-
    - Not enough evidence.
    - The world and the UN would be upset at us. This was from Albright, I believe.
    - There wasn't sufficient provocation. :eek: (From the Sec. of Def, his name escapes me, he is a Republican)
    - There also may have been a political factor, as elections were coming.

    He also says the Sudanese were keeping close tabs on Osama and offered to turn him over to the US, but Clinton did not take advantage of it.
     
  2. Maynard

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    Bush&Co are stonewalling any and all investigations into 9/11 but your going to say Clinton unleashed Global Terror?

    gee i thought crazy Islamic fundamentalist unleashed global terror
     
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  3. Mr. Clutch

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    I'm not saying it, it's a book that's coming out.

    I think the title is over the top. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Clinton failed to stem it.
     
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    This supports the opinions I have developed on the topic. Clinton does nothing on issue of OBL, and look what happens. Bush takes the war to the terrorists and the liberals cry foul. mmmmmkay.....
     
  5. Friendly Fan

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    it's time for the rightwing conspiracy groups to get their Blame Clinton stories out in preparation for defending Bush in 2004

    we all know everything is Bill Clinton's fault for being such a good president and thereby making Reagan, Bush, and Bush look like the bad leaders they were. they are all jealous it took a real man like Bill to balance the budget.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    No one cried when Bush attacked Afghanistan.
     
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    I had to laugh out loud when I saw the title of this one.:)
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    I find it hard to believe that Clinton was "virtually obssessed with the dangers of bioterrorism" consider his tepid response to the Cole bombing. He also did not have a very strong response to the 1993 bombing, and urged Americans not to overreact.

    The link mentions Richard Clarke of the NSC. He advocated attacking bin Laden and Afghanistan. The Republicans did not stop him, but Albright and others did.

    Also, I believe some people wanted to treat the Cole bombing as a crime. Also reminiscent of the alternatives given to invading Iraq.

    Whether you want to blame Bill or not, we can agree that his foreign policies made mistakes, and hopefully we do not repeat them.
     
  10. GreenVegan76

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    To pin the current situation on Clinton is intellectually dishonest. The man did more against terrorism than other President in history.

    He signed an order for the assassination of Osama bin Laden after the Cole attack and allocated more than $300 million additional funds to fight terrorism -- over the howls of protest from Congressional Republicans, by the way.

    Here are highlights of Clinton's 1999 anti-terrorist package (which Congressional Republicans threatened to vote down):

    * $2.85 billion to fight chemical, biological and cyber terrorism includes $1.46 billion for computer security and critical infrastructure protection and $1.39 billion for domestic readiness against attack by weapons of mass destruction. (The budget request also proposed more than $7 billion for conventional counterterrorism security programs.)
    * $52 million to stockpile medicines and antibiotics for civilian population.
    * $683 million to train and equip emergency personnel in cities and public health services.
    * $206 million to protect federal facilities.
    * $381 million for dealing with nuclear emergencies.
    * $500 million to detect intruders trying to break into critical computer systems and fund a "cyber corps program" to bolster government's computer specialists.
    * $611 million for training and equipping emergency personnel in U.S. cities and otherwise planning to combat the effects of weapons of mass destruction.
    * $381 million to research and development for vaccines against chemical and germ weapons.


    Here are a few highlights of Clinton's 2000 anti-terrorist plan (which Congressional Republicans said wasn't needed):

    * Increased the Department of the Treasury’s Counterterrorism Fund that was established to cover costs associated with efforts to counter, investigate or prosecute domestic or international terrorism.

    * Increased the number of Joint Terrorism Task Forces located throughout the United States. The Task Forces were established to integrate the resources and expertise of the law enforcement authorities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), the U.S. Customs Service, ATF, Secret Service and state and local law enforcement.

    * Supported the establishment of a new interagency National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center to analyze the financing of terrorist organizations and expand the Office of Foreign Asset Control at the Department of the Treasury.

    * Increased the number of Department of Justice prosecutors and legal staff to support the prosecution of terrorists.

    * Improved monitoring on the northern border with secure communications equipment and advanced monitoring equipment, including high resolution day and night camera technology.

    * Expanded INS forensic capabilities at the government's federal crime lab dedicated to the forensic examination of potentially fraudulent travel documents.
     
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    Had the Bush Administration listened to numerous reports from the (close mind in three, two, one) Clinton Administration, they would have known that a terrorist attack using commercial airlines was coming very soon. But they chose to ignore them, and instead focused on missile defense and reorganizing the military structure.

    Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger sent numerous reports to Condeleeza Rice, and even met with her. Clinton mainstay Richard Clarke told the administration a major terrorist attack was coming.

    The Bush team, to their credit, kept Clarke onboard. Clarke met with numerous high-ranking White House officials (Cheney's chief of staff, the DOD, the FBI and the State Department) and said Osama bin Laden was organizing a huge terrorist attack, and should be assassinated. Clinton, by the way, sent out an order to assassinate bin Laden in 2000, and tripled the country's anti-terrorist resources.

    But the Bush Administration ignored everything Clarke said. The Hart-Rudman Commission (which came out in Feb. 2001) reported that a terrorist attack was coming, and that communication problems between the CIA, military and FBI would be a major problem. The Bush Administration instead focused on missile defense. Rumsfeld said the administration would veto any anti-terrorist package that took funding from missile defense.

    Terrorist network "chatter" in the week before the attacks led many officials to believe a big event was forthcoming. But, because of lapses in communication between the CIA, the military and the FBI (which could have been prevented had the Bush Administration approved funding for anti-terrorist work, instead of threatening a veto because it took away from missile defense), nothing was done.

    In hindsight, everything is 20/20. But everything that was needed to prevent this horrible catastrophe was there. The Bush Administration didn't have the flight number for these attacks, but they had everything they needed to at least investigate. And they didn't.

    (I posted this in another thread, but feel this addresses many of the same issues.)
     
  12. RocketMan Tex

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    How Bill Clinton's failures caused the price of milk to rise.
    How Bill Clinton's failures caused it to rain today.
    How Bill Clinton's failures caused the Astros to fall out of first place.
    How Bill Clinton's failures caused my beer to get warm.
    How Bill Clinton's failures caused Britney Spears to kiss Madonna.
    How Bill Clinton's failures caused a traffic jam today.

    I find it hilarious how some people continue to blame Clinton for everything even though he has been out of office for 3 years.

    I guess conservatives just refuse to accept the failures of George W. Bush and the problems he and his minions have caused during his the last 3 years.

    See: straws, grabbing for
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    GreenVegan: good points. I feel the Clinton did do some things against terrorism. And we should also look into what the W Admin. was thinking early in his administration.

    However, it is fair to ask if there were grave errors made by Clinton following what really were major attacks on the WTC and the Cole. Hindsight is 20/20, and in the least we should learn from the errors. But we need to know what those errors were.
     
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    OK, that is the last straw, Clinton must be the antichrist.

    I retract my previous statement. Bill has been elevated to minor deity.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    They tried to retaliate after the first WTC attack and were accused of "wagging the dog."

    They tried to get more funding after the Cole incident and were rebuffed.

    I agree that we should look for ALL of the errors that made 9/11 possible, but this administration is not allowing that to happen.
     
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    now that's not fair!


    how obsessed can a guy be while he's gettin' a hummer?
     
  17. Friendly Fan

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    I will bet Clinton could get Britney and Christina into a three way, with Rob Lowe filming it. He is a silver-tongued devil.

    When Clinton walks through a room, you can hear women's panties dropping to the floor. He's Elvis, folks, whether you like him or not, and he's got major MOJO with women.
     
  18. GreenVegan76

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    I agree 100-percent. In 1993, the World Trade Center was attacked, and in 2000, the Cole was attacked. Those two situations definitely fall under Clinton jurisdiction, and he rightly had to answer for those failures.

    But to suggest that Clinton did nothing to address terrorism smacks of deceitful misrepresentations.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    I believe the wagging the dog stuff was much later, when he bombed some harmless target in Afghanistan. Not sure about the funding ont he Cole incident.
     
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    harmless target? didnt he have intell that OBL was there and that is why he launched an attack?
     

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