<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/V8lT1o0sDwI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Lol!!! Well played!!! I feel a little MORE foolish now! ... :grin: Spoiler ... :grin: ....... ....... .......
I'm extremely familiar with it, but thanks for the suggestion. You should familiarize yourself with how one word or missing punctuation can drastically change the meaning of a sentence. For example, "Let's eat grandma" or "Let's eat, grandma." Kinda like the difference between "acts were the worst in history" and "were some of the worst in history". If you're still struggling there, read some books on English. Don't blame someone for reacting to literally EXACTLY what you wrote. As for the even itself, I agree that it was horrific. It also ended the war definitively. It's really hard for me to pass judgment as someone who isn't living in a climate like they were. The loss of life and aftermath of the bombs was certainly extremely sad. But then, that's what war is. It's a horrible thing by its nature. No one's hands were clean in that conflict. But I prefer to be one the side that did a horrible thing to prevent further conflict than the side that did horrible things to enact a genocide or to suppress political opposition. Choose your horror, I suppose. Just be glad you're living now and not then.
My Dad spent 3 1/2 years in the Pacific without a furlough home. He was bombed and strafed and had friends die in his arms. He got yellow fever and dengue fever and never saw a real hospital, and until the day he died in 2002 called December 7, National Kill A Jap Day. You have no idea of the resolve the US military had to crush the Japanese war machine, they would have killed every man woman and child if that's what it took and no Monday morning quarterbacks can say, "oh they were on the verge of surrender" if they had not seen the resistance on Okinawa. Are you just not aware of the atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese army? http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html Did you oppose blowing up the whole Death Star too?
your post is so full of flaws that I have no use trading barbs with you. It was one of the most horrible atrocities because we didn't just drop 1, but 2 atomic boms. We also didn't need to. And in the dropping of those bombs, over 250,000 people lost their life. And those weren't 250,000 communist soldiers btw. but your granpappy got sick and strafed. It's been a cool story for you for years and it makes you feel all red white and blue. Good for you. I prefer my history without a revisionist spoon. And try looking at what we've done to put horrible people in power in 3rd world countries, all under the guise of freedom and liberty. 'murica.
What? The wholesale genocide rampant in history doesn't qualify as worse? The US alone has participated in this with the Native Americans. The nukes were just BIG bombs at that point to the Allies. And they weren't even needed, as we had Japan on the ropes down on one knee. But we were flexing our muscles for Stalin at that point as the end of the war was near and everyone could see the next cycle (Russia vs Allies). As for the actual fatalities, we (the Allies) had killed far more people with firebombing in Japan and Germany previous to the A-Bombs being dropped. Honestly, I question your history buff-ness; this seems more like a 'Hollywood' history fan's words.
No, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling as the obligatory "but America is just as bad or worse" guy in a thread about a day of remembrance. You're also responding to two different people in the same post as if it were one opinion. Please, don't trade ANYTHING with me. Unless there's something I can trade you for your silence. This thread isn't about you flexing your "I know more about history than you noobs" muscles. Go make your own thread about American atrocities. This isn't the place.
It's hard to believe that 6 aircraft carriers attacked a big island UNNOTICED. Some ships or fishermen in the pacific could have posted something on Facebook or Tweet about it.
Unlike Obama just did in his address to the nation, Roosevelt failed to tell the American people to report anything suspicious. Thanks Delano
The communication world in 1941, especially in the vast, vast Pacific Ocean was nearly nonexistent. It's entirely plausible that the fleet could approach undetected. I agree, though, it's unlikely, bit it is within the realm of reason at that period in time. Edit- facepalm, you were being a smartass.
I've always wondered 2 thing about the Japanese attack: What if all of our carriers weren't out to sea at the time? Why didn't the Japanese attack the oil tanks on the island? Seems like taking out all of our carriers and oil supplies would have crippled us for much longer than 6 months.
If I recall correctly from textbooks that Hawaii wasn't even an actual state at the time of the USA. It was a territory sort of like Puerto Rico or Guam. Why didn't the Japanese attack Seattle or LA or something more meaningful and closer to the mainland? I understand fuel might be an issue, but they could have stopped and refueled in Canada and possibly even gone after NYC.
The plan was to attack the carriers. In fact, there is a conspiracy theory that states that since we pulled out the carriers, we knew about the impending attack. My granddad was an admiral at the time, assigned to the carrier task forces. Our family likes to tell the story that he was supposed to be at Pearl Harbor, but the carriers were called back to San Diego, instead. btw: even with the Carriers being out of port, we still almost lost the Battle of Midway. You could even argue that we got lucky. Japan was that dominant. You're not much of a strategist are you. Not like Yamamoto, right? Pearl Harbor was easily their most meaningful target in the Pacific war. IF they take out our fleet, they rule the Pacific...Hell, San Diego would have been their target on the mainland, not Seattle or LA.
I'm not a pacifist or a warmonger, but I do side with the notion of not looking back and second guessing your actions in time of war. They did what they thought was best at the time. Yes, it was a colossal loss of lives on Aug.6-9 1941, but Winston Churchill once stated that because of that action (dropping the bomb) the War ended much sooner and that at least 1million American lives had been spared. Perhaps he was spreading propaganda, but the truth is, we really don't know how many more lives would've been lost IF the bomb hadn't been dropped! http://nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/pre-cold-war/hiroshima-nagasaki/decision-opinion-churchill.htm ....... ....... .......
