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The Day Harden Lost the City of Houston

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Snow Villiers, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. hoopball

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    because nobody here actually cares about Lin. but when the subject comes up, LOF white knights such as yourself can't help themselves.
     
  2. hoopball

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    better than can't comprehending a simple stat like +/- court margin
     
  3. DrNuegebauer

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    Did you have a stat to back up your claim that he is one of the better defenders on the Hornets this year? All the defensive stats I just looked up have him as one of their worst. Better than PJ Hairston in almost every category, but is that saying much?

    Keep the attempts to promote Lin to the thread in the dish pls?

    On the other hand, Harden rates as one of Houston's BETTER defenders this season (doesn't say much). He has the top defensive win score amongst Houston players, and is tied with Ariza and McDaniels for 4th in 'defensive rating' (Capela, Howard, Beverley are the top 3). His opponent definitely shoots a better % against him, but somehow he is making up for it with steals.

    I'm never going to suggest he is a great defender, he occasionally falls asleep, or prefers to reach --> but just because some whacked out Lin fan made a video showing him doing that 5-6 times does NOT mean that is all his defence consists of.....
     
  4. Yung-T

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    His name wouldn't have been mentioned here at all, realize how full of shi you are? And when your defense of Harden's lapse is a years old clip of Lin then it shows how you defend everything Harden does.
     
  5. Yung-T

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    Maybe that should tell you that the public stats are systematically flawed and overvalue things like steals?
    And I didn't bring up Lin here.
     
  6. hoopball

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    why do you think i only do this to you, then? there are billions of criticisms of Harden on this board and i don't give a single crap, 'cause they are mostly fair. . but you are clearly not honest in your criticisms and most likely harbors ulterior motives, so that's why I'm being this way. just admit you are a Harden hating LOF.
     
  7. hoopball

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    Maybe you should admit that subjective personal opinions based on lousy eye-test is the most flawed criteria to judge any player's performance?
     
  8. Yung-T

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    Embarassing. Guess that happens when your idol disappoints and you can't deal with it.
     
  9. hoopball

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    lol, he's already been disappointing and i bash him every time he plays horribly, heck, i even thought he deserved to be bashed in yesterday's game but turn out he was sick, so i kinda give him a pass on that. on the other hand, you were the one shi-tting on Harden when he put up a 50 point performance with +13 on/off court margin and said he actually hurt the team more than he helped. and your records show that you defended Lin even when he had like 13-5 mediocre game. yeah, so my bad for 'inferring' that you are not an honest person.
     
  10. Yung-T

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    Imma let you live with your made-up narrative and fantasy bubble, if It makes you happy. No point in arguing with someone that creates straw man arguments, makes up my motives and completely lacks comprehension.
     
  11. hoopball

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    next time, maybe rely on objective data to further your argument than your make-believe fantasy. really comes across as an amateur. and if you want to be a hater, at least don't be a homer for the other guy at the same time, 'cause it's way too apparent to people like me, you know what i mean
     
  12. MorningZippo

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    A fallacy is an incorrect argument in logic and rhetoric which undermines an argument's logical validity or more generally an argument's logical soundness. Fallacies are either formal fallacies or informal fallacies.

    You probably pulled around 10 in this thread alone. Check out the wiki page.
     
  13. DrNuegebauer

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    Did younhave any proof of that? Or just your opinion?

    I will back the stats over your opinion every single time.
    The stats don't shiw that he is a legedary defender, but they highkight that he is nit the worst, nor an all time bum (as some suggest).

    They seem to confirm the eye test though. Would you disagree that Capela, Dwight, Beverley, Ariza have been our best defenders? It is extraordinarily convenient to claim 'well for James Harden the stats are flawed and reward his steals, but not for Ariza'.

    Um, yeah.

    And why did you jump in to defend Lin in something he is far worse than Harden at? (Mind you, that topic covers all things related to basketball) Leave those incoherent rantings to the thread they belong in.
     
  14. Panda23

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    Nobody cares about a backup on charlotte here so don't post Gifs about him unless its in the Lin thread in the dish.

    keep that bs away you rook
     
  15. hoopball

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    had to do that to make the point, and kinda as a bait to really confirm whether he's a LOF (which i'm now 100% sure, best defender in the Hornets? lol) there are long tradition of LOFs trashing other Rockets players on this board, so just ignoring it wont solve the problem but trust me, i don't like to do this either.
     
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    The Jet knows

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  17. Yung-T

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    Never said he was their best defender, your continuing lack of comprehension is amazing. And you made no point, all you proved is that you can't deal with people pointing out Harden's defensive lapses.
    And think again, how can someone that's been a Rockets fan for nearly 20 years be a LOF? Your logic is so embarassing, do you think people like me fake being a Rockets fan for decades because we knew Lin and Harden would come? You Sound brain dead.
     
  18. Yung-T

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    Would be lovely for you to point them out in this context and based on the posts in this thread, you're welcome.
     
  19. Yung-T

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    Where did I say they aren't the better defenders of this team? Love how you guys are completely making up arguments.
    I did point out that replying to the Harden video with Lin clips helps him in no way and doesn't make any sense, I don't think you can twist it any other way.

    And with public data I can't prove the defensive facts, that's the whole point me and guys like malakas are trying to make you understand, the public stats are useless in rating someone's complete impact on defense. The problem is you're becoming accustomed to having numbers for every argument, no matter what they actually mean and how useful they are. Statistics can be a great measure if applied correctly, but they can't be your sole argument.
    And sorry, if you really have watched Harden for the last years and then say he's a good defender because of +/- then it shows you should really overthink how much sense your numbers make.
     
  20. hoopball

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    doesn't change the fact you just called a minus defender 'one of the best defenders' in the team. comprehension much?

    I'll reiterate since you seem to have clinically short memory. there are billions of criticisms of Harden on this board that i don't give a damn about and don't respond to because i actually agree with them. the only ones i have issue with is when it's blatantly unfair and unjustified, like what you said about his 50 point performance vs Philly. if what you are accusing of me is true, then why didn't i respond to all the previous threads pointing out harden's defensive lapses? why did i only respond to you? because i can tell the difference between a fair critic and a hater from miles away.

    what a dumb-ass argument. you could be a person who has an emotional affinity for Lin because of ethnicity or for whatever reason, and STILL be a long-time Rockets fan. why do you think those two are mutually exclusive statements? and it's not like you have a certificate for being a genuine long time supporter of this team to prove your point, and even if that was the case, you can still harbor biased opinions on some of the players who were or are currently on the team. really, why is this so difficult to understand? just stop digging the hole man, the more you open your mouth, it is becoming clear as day that you are utterly incapable of forming a coherent, cogent argument.
     

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