When it comes to speaking on the matter, your post should tower above the others...but just like when Dejji, someone who has ACTUALLY lived in Israel decides to comment on the situation, giving an unbiased perspective....all pitchfork morons here keep feeding each other's ignorance. There are a lot of people pushing forth the notion that we need concentrations camps. When compared to the situation in Europe...wtf have the american muslims done? How many events can you actually cite where american muslims commit acts of terrorism? Its a very very very small number. Yet, the sentiment seems to be leaning towards shutting down mosques and camping them WWII Japanese style.
I have a few thoughts about this: 1. You can never understand what it is to be an immigrant, much less a refugee, unless you experience it firsthand. It ranks up there stress-wise, with the reason people need to flee in the first place. 2. The Syrians that made it out were mostly middle class, educated, and with all apologies to Palestinians and Tunisians, might be the most secular people in the Arab world. They aren't interested in choosing a future between Bashir and al-Bagdadi, and would rather live in a Western society. 3. Terrorism is largely about fear. Being afraid of them is kind of the point, and if you are afraid, like the gentlemen in the Amen Corner of the D&D, it's safe to say you are letting an armed band of thugs dictate policy. 4. What I am afraid of is the large number that are coming. They can't or won't assimilate if they all just end up in Germany's city centers. That's kind of the point of having other nations shoulder the burden to take them in to be able to absorb them better. 5. The problem with this issue, and most issues discussed here, is unfortunately a very human problem. We are all wired to be irrational and tribal, and instead of looking at each situation and trying to see it for what it is, we react to each event as a shibboleth, as a way of proclaiming our own tribal identity, to prove our loyalty to our religions, country, race, political party or whatever stupid arbitrary thing that divides us as people and really doesn't mean much when most of our problems are universal. For the slower people on the board: In the same thread about Arab-Israeli conflict I can be called a clueless leftist and a fascist Jew, it says more about the accuser than it does having a nuanced position that no one wants to listen to, other than to react to in order to have an opportunity to self-identify. If scoring points as a "good" or "true" [Christian] [Jewish] [Muslim] [Conservative] [Liberal] [Libertarian] [American] [European] [Mexican] [Bedouin] [Cajun] [Basque] [Apache] is more important than being a decent human being, then you, like most people on the planet, are as much a co-conspirator in the world's pain as anyone else.
Jew Burned in Effigy During Polish Demonstration Against Refugees 'Down with the European Union!' chants crowd in western Poland. A Polish demonstration against taking in Muslim refugees ended with the burning of an effigy of an ultra-Orthodox Jew holding the flag of the European Union. Dozens protested Wednesday evening in front of the city hall in the western Polish city of Wroclaw. The protest comes in the wake of the November 13 attacks on multiple sites in Paris that left at least 129 dead. Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attacks and police believe that one the terrorists entered the European Union with the flood of Syrian refugees. The crown shouted: “United Catholic Poland! National radicalism! Down with the European Union!” The demonstration was organized by the National Radical Camp and All-Polish Youth. “Our duty, the duty of lawmakers and the government, is to say that we won’t take a single Islamist in to Poland because Poland is for Poles,” proclaimed one of the demonstration’s speakers. At the end of the demonstration one of the participants set fire to a previously prepared effigy of a Haredi Jew. “God, Honor and Fatherland,” the crowd then chanted. link: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
I have never been a refugee but have had some dealings with refugees in regards to my family, they are refugees from the Middle East. From my experience, often times they did not trust any government or any group of people based on the fact that they come from an area that has collapsed. Completely agree, I don't think many people realize this. Also there are many Syrians in the USA already that are extremely Americanized. I know several Syrians that are Athiests in the USA. Agree with this is general. Some people will argue this is racist/bigoted. However, it is a reality. I think that the Syrian's should be equally dispersed in the USA as well. Well people like where they live and what they have and don't want interlopers. I like gum.
Thanks. People, for some underlying reason, just don't like to feel like they are wrong. Some of us are taught to pick a side or lump others who disagree with us into another. Many of us spend countless hours trying to convince others that they should think and act a certain way. I'm sure that I disagree with you on many things, but I'm sure you're a good dude. I've been hot-headed in the past on this forum when it came to defending Israel and definitely joined in on Republican bashing when I was younger. Today, I chose not to invest my emotions on other people's opinions or beliefs. Life is hard enough as it is! What kind of man am I if I choose to shout down an opposing view? What kind of human being am I if I can't find empathy for any form of suffering? What kind of intellectual can I be if I choose to simplify conflicts rather than gain a better perspective of all parties and what their wishes are? It's so easy to blame others. Children quickly point fingers at their peers to escape punishment. Adults should own up to their own actions. The same goes for nation-states and those with power. I'll get off this soap box by saying it's time to stop fighting fire with fire... water puts it out just fine (unless it's a grease fire... then you're screwed).
Nope, True Beaner, I'm not explaining anything to you, because I know you are neither intelligent nor willing to learn.
Well said, and I completely agree. I think all of us are subject to losing our cool every now and then....but I can't imagine a world where free thinking was not appreciated. Its what makes us human and opens the doors for improvement.
First, that's not my name---the moniker on the left would go great lengths in helping you address that shortcoming, which is vital for you to understand before we even begin any sort of discussion. Second, its funny how responses like that always come from the people that are insecure about how about their stance on issues, you wouldn't have to imply that you are smart, or smarter than I am if you truly felt that way---drop the superiority complex. An MD/PhD probably doesn't necessarily make someone smart, but has allowed me to see through those that are the least satisfied with themselves and hide it in the ugliest of ways. Your cycle of negativity is the source of your own dissatisfaction, which you take out on others with personal attacks I've read on here for the past 6 years. In fact, its turned into some weird obsession you've clung to in order to justify some sort of role or importance you have to society. I don't know if anyone has ever described you as schizotypical, but read up on it with an open mind. I didn't mean to leave you naked by deconstructing your whole persona like that, but too many people here play softball when it comes to your juvenile behavior. Now you can respond with insults and play the pretend I'm smart game once again. Best of luck to you Sir Jackie.
Yazidis and some Christians and some Muslims are the new Jews. Some Muslims are the new Nazis. That would have been a much more appropriate statement.
The word assassin comes from Persian hashashins who would take hashish to get hashressive before they hashashinated their hashversaries.
LMAO Get owned in multiple posts pointing out the numerous holes in your logic and you reply by saying the poster is not intelligent enough? It must really smell bad with your head that far up your ass.
A marine perspective. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39882/phil-klay-syrian-refugees/ "It's only during frightening times when you get to find out if your country really deserves to call itself the 'home of the brave.'"
Still don't see how 10k German Jews being actively persecuted by the Nazis are comparable to refugees living in Turkey and Greece. How does the OP not get laughed out of here?
Because other threads and thread titles in the D&D are even (far) worse? Just a guess. You've stated your view on it. Let it ride.
Probably not as bad as when you stick your head behind your cousin's ass. Just stick to being an ungrateful ass in a hotel where you got a special deal from a Clutchfans member. Hydhypedplaya is not only an ass on the board, but in real life as well, it seems.
This is pretty much how most Lib/Con arguments align themselves: Liberals are willing to encourage good even if it might come with some bad, and conservatives are willing to discourage bad even if it might negate some good. In other words, liberals support bringing in refugees because they view these refugees as being victims of powers and actions beyond their own control, even if some of those refugees could potentially be terror threats. Conservatives reject bringing in refugees because, even if the vast majority of them are regular people, the minority of them that could be dangerous is a chance they feel we shouldn't take at all. All of this other bull**** about "Muslims are all decent!" or "Muslim are all evil!" is just that--bull****. Pick your morality and that's it. Both sides have arguments to make, but I very much dislike it when either side hides behind half-baked arguments that either reveal on one hand a naive denial of Islamism's threat and on the other hand a thinly veiled bigotry.
Quoted. At a certain point you have to admit that you have a problem. For all the crap you talk about how "Islamist apologists" on this board stirring hatred against others, you really are the only person I see who openly makes these sorts of antagonistic remarks.
Yeah, because is not an "antagonistic remark" from where you stand. Or you simply have a very selective perception, caused by your own bias. At some point you have to admit that you have a problem.
Saying someone has their "head up their ass" is a commonly used euphemism that could only offend the most hypersensitive child. Making that sort of pejorative insinuation about the prayer style of a billion plus people, on the other hand, betrays a clear and malicious sentiment towards that entire group. You would have to be willfully ignorant to not see the difference. But judging by the content of many of your posts, you are very capable of "playing dumb" when it suits your arguments. Just like right now, actually.
