Is there any proof that immigrants is the route used by terrorist to infiltrat the USA? Fear is not proof.
The Jewish were victims. They didn't cut off heads, rape and enslave people, have a majority of them demand the death penalty for leaving the religion, and they did not bomb and murder hundreds and thousands of innocent people all over the world in the name of their religion over decades. This is a small, but important difference that seems to have been lost on you. Are a lot of Muslims victims as well? Yes. But to stay in your example: If you were German during WWII, would you complain about other nations "being mean to Germans", which is basically what Azadre does here? If the group you belong to is actually the one that perpetrates the atrocities, perhaps you should be a little bit more humble, especially when the last major one just happened a few days ago.
The majority of Syrian refugees demand the death penalty for leaving Islam? Because we're talking about the refugees being affected by ISIS being turned away from countries that they are fleeing to; we're not talking about all the Muslims in the world, just like how not all Jews in the world were persecuted in the Holocaust (which is what this thread is referencing) but just the ones from Europe who tried to escape the Nazis. The Syria refugees didn't cut off heads, rape and enslave people, bomb and murder hundreds and thousands of innocent people all over the world in the name of their religion over decades either. If I was a German Jew in WW2, I would complain about other nations being mean to all Germans, because that would mean they were ignoring the plight of German Jews, just like how you're ignoring the plight of Syrian refugees just because other Muslims were extremist.
I'd rather be on the side of providing help for the thousands of people who are victims of ISIS terrorism, rather than on the side of those wishing to turn away and give no aid to these victims of ISIS terrorism. I guess, I'm just crazy like that.
When did the victims of ISIS terrorism who are the refugees trying to escape the hell ISIS has put them through?
Some self-accountability would help. Blame everyone but ourselves!!!! Sounds like your stance on alot of issues actually
Irgun, a Zionist/Jewish paramilitary group, was fairly active from 1937 to 1948. Please note that many of these attacks were bombs that killed 10+ people. This occurred while Nazis were slaughtering the Jews of Europe. But should the Jews of Europe have been turned away because of a handful of radicals were killing for the purpose of founding a Jewish nation? Wikipedia has a summary:
Irgun, Lechi and the Stern Gang were nationalist movements, not an international movement with designs on a global Jewish kingdom. Terrorists, I'll grant you, but a better comparison would be ETA, the IRA, or the PLO, not Da'esh.
Thank you. I think a good analogy is that offered by Northside Storm, a la the Japanese in WWII. However, again, there is a crucial aspect that doesn't align. We are *not* considering rounding up Syrians who are already in America (well, maybe Trump will suggest that). The analogy would need to have boatloads of Japanese refugees wanting to come to America, while Japan itself had declared war on us. I am still pro-refugee, but you have to also understand people's worries. Analogies are only going to get us so far.
We're talking about Muslims refugees, not all refugees. Could you answer the question as to how many of these were suicide attacks carried out by Jews that killed dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people? EDIT: What is the context to the European Jews?
Do you take the blame for when a psycho shoots up a movie theatre or a college campus? Why aren't you taking the blame!!!!!! Blame yourself!!!
I rarely post in the D&D anymore because of the toxicity and lack of hope. Coming from my own Jewish perspective, Azadre is 100% correct. The biggest victims in all of this are the countless refugees with no home. My grandfather had to get here through illegal channels. He was part of the first wave of Operation Texas. His sister had left for the states 10 years earlier and married a Cuban Jewish guy living in Austin. Through connections, my grandfather was saved when LBJ was able to assist in securing visas to get jews out of Warsaw prior to the ghetto closing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Texas I share this story because people do what they have to do to survive. The heroes of today are the ones brave enough to help in ways that they can. Yes, we need to have a way to protect our own and ensure that these murderers don't succeed. They want to turn us to against the refugees. I thought we were a beacon of hope unshaken by terrorism. It seems like we've forgotten what we thought what it meant to be American where we do not negotiate with terrorists or bend to their will. There has to be a way to create a systematic integration that saves innocents and protects our own. I don't think it's immoral to screen refugees with a full background check, polygraph, etc. We don't even need to provide citizenship, just a way to be a safe haven until they can go and rebuild their country. Can we find a middle ground here? Thank you Azadre. I feel like I can do more to help. Saving one person is saving the world.
I'm not willing to give up on the most core and founding principle of America unless the situation presents a danger to our existence as a sovereign state, and the Syrian refugee crisis does not present such a danger.
Just because some don't want refugee's to come to America doesn't mean they are terrible people. It doesn't mean they are soul-less, it just means they think there are better ways to help them. 1. They would rather stay home according to the vast outcry in Europe from refugee's 2. They aren't taking locals jobs 3. They aren't putting locals at any sort of safety risk I'm on the boat that we need to collaborate with allies and create a safe zone in Syria for refugee's. I have no problem volunteering tax dollars in order for our military, who wants to keep American civilians safer, to collaborate with other nations and purchase land to set up and maintain a safe zone in Syria until the war is over. It is also much much cheaper overall to do it that way
So when these small group of muslims ended up bombing, muslims, in Beirut, those same innocent...muslims...who died at the hands of these extremists are grouped into your category. Just like Almost all the people getting slaughtered by IS are muslims, when they flee and are refugees....are seen as the villains that are killing them. The hypocrisy is beautiful. Please don't dance around what I said or go off on some tangent citing another event, explain to me why you are saying muslims are playing the victim card when muslims bombed Beirut, and muslims were the ones that ended up dying, just like it happens everyday but isn't reported by the media. The better answer to your questions would be that wannabee perverted muslims bombed and killed innocent people in both cities.
Why doesn't every lonely depressed white male speak out for all the shootings that take place pretty much every other week? When will the moderate, level headed white males finally do something about this? Sure you can debate on one being a religion, and the other a race...but at the end of the day you are expecting to hold people of no relation accountable for actions that they can't even remotely be responsible for. Its amazing how history repeats itself...just reading some of the fascist comments on here is saddening.
