Israel is doing the right thing by killing Hamas leaders

I may be blunt, but the economic strength is what makes this country strong. I support Bush's tax plan. If we follow through with Iraq I think it could be a positive with 6 trillion dollars of oil reserves.

But Israel is a negative. No question about it.

I don't believe in political crap, this is about economics as it has been since the dawn of time.

 

Well well well.. the true colors shine right through.

OK Mr. Economics.. let me give you a history lesson.. pre WW2, many many many Americans thought like you did. Who gives a damn about the world.. just as long as I'm sitting here comfy in my lazyboy drinking an ice cold beer, who gives a damn if people are getting burned in ovens thousands of miles away. It took pearl harbor to change those people's minds. It looks like Sept 11th wasnt enough for you. What's it gonna take?

As far as telling me to go to Israel, I say kiss my jewish arse. I am staying here.. come to my house and make me leave. It's a free country and I can give as much money as I like to taxes or to charities that goes straight to Israel.

IF ISRAEL DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DEFEND ITSELF.. THERE WOULD BE NO ISRAEL. WHY DO WE GIVE THEM AID? BECAUSE ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. LYNDON B JOHNSON DIDNT HAVE TO SEND OVER FAKE VISAS TO HELP MY GRANDFATHER ESCAPE PERSECUTION IN POLAND. HE DID IT BECAUSE ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

So is Israel perfect? Hell no. Am I perfect? Hell no. Nobody is perfect. Life in the world is tough. But its so easy for you mr khan that you don't give a damn about anyone else. Just as long as your wallet feels full, you dont care.

Hell, why don't we just let Africa die from AIDS? Why don't we just let thousands of children starve in other countries? Oh, I'm sorry, we don't! Its because we don't elect morons like you that just care about ecofreakinomics.

Honestly.. how much, out of your taxes, goes to Israel and other countries? Is it a few dollars a year, a few hundred dollars a year? Break down the numbers Mr Economics. Just remember, thanks to special interest groups, a lot of that money is going to save lives.

I'm sorry, but I cant be like you. I care about everyone else in the world. I wish that there could be peace everywhere and that nobody else has to die. Not Israelis, not palestinians, not Iraqis, not Pakistanis, not Indians. You are right, the world is tough, but life isn't just about economics.. its about not having any regrets. And letting people kill eachother without doing anything is regretful.

 

The day the United States turns its back on Western style Democracies that are threatened by totalitarian fanatics will be a sad day indeed. We support Israel because we support freedom.

 

Oh Give me a break. Don't give me that garbage.

People will die all over the world and that is a FACT of life.
The fact is that the US does not have the financial ability to sustain the whole world. And if we tried to we would go bankrupt. We can barely sustain our own population in light of the deafening amount of social services that are now provided to many not benefiting the system. Now we want to add other countries to our handout list??

Giving money to fight disease is relevant because of globalization of consumers and because disease spreads.

Giving money for international education programs is great because this is the future of the world and if there are more educated people, this helps everyone in the long run.

Giving money to international business through the IMF is great because it expands business which helps the whole world in the long run including us as it gives us more consumers and plants to offer goods and services too.

HANDING out money to Israel and watching them use our money to create one of the strongest militaries in the world is not my idea of proper allocation of capital. In the process we have alienated ourselves from parts of Europe and much of the world. Our policy that I am talking about eliminating ( handouts to Israel and the Middle East if not more areas ) probably would have eliminated 9/11 and terrorists would never even be looking at us. Our troops in Saudi, funding of the Saudi Govt, and support for Israel was what OBL stated he was pissed at. Not that I am accepting his demands, but I don't believe we have any business there.

We should limit our aid to humanitarian, education and business aid. This will allow our US made products and services to encroach the world and will benefit our economy.

I am sorry if I place the US interests first. You stated Israel deserved a handout because they lost tourism money. That simply shows that though you live here in the United States, you have more loyalty to an outside country. You would rather see the US lose financial viability than see Israel not be able to recieve billions annually.

Quite the patriot you are!

 

You showed your true colors at least in the following post I am quoting from the Arnold/Waldheim thread (bolding and underlining is from me):

In my opinion, someone who finds Osama's acts understandable and who can accept that the USA are the enemy has lost all credibility on this board.

Some more posts from you:

 

Do you really think assasination is the way??????????
How can you say that it is right for a state (Israel) to assasinate anyone. That´s like capital punishment without a trial. It is a human right to get a trial.
I think what Israel is doing is murder. If you murder a murderer it´s still murder.

 

Do you really think assasination is the way??????????
How can you say that it is right for a state (Israel) to assasinate anyone. That´s like capital punishment without a trial. It is a human right to get a trial.
I think what Israel is doing is murder. If you murder a murderer it´s still murder.

Except that they are in middle of a war. Firing a missile into a Hamas leader's car is no different than us bombing a palace we think Saddam Hussein might be in or a cave that OBL might be in.

Israel's problem, in my opinion, has always been its recklessness - shooting a missile into a car by itself is one thing ... doing it in middle of a crowded street and blowing up civilians as collateral damage just makes the cycle-of-violence problem that much worse.

 

Ehh.. that´s what you´re doin´.
Sure you spend millions of dollars on third world aid and charity. But out of all the countries, in a position to spend money on aid and charity, you´re the cheapest bastards out there. You give very little (in percentages) compared to other countries, and a very large portion of that goes to Israel where it is spent on killing palestinians.

 

A war? With what state? Killing "terrorists" is not war! They are "at war" with a people without a state. Hmm.. why does that sound familiar?

 

A war? With what state? Killing "terrorists" is not war! They are "at war" with a people without a state. Hmm.. why does that sound familiar?

They are at war with people that want them dead - militant Palestinian groups. Who cares if they have a state? People are shooting at you, you have every right to shoot back.

Surely you don't think the US should be going and trying to only arrest all the Al Queda fighters out there, do you?

 

True colors? What do you know about my true colors!?

which part of "i'm not a fan of OBL" did you not understand? which part of "IF he wants to further Islam..." did you not understand?

exactly how is stating the fact that America might be the enemy of Osama Bin Laden an unexceptable notion? since when is STATING THE OBVIOUS such a sin?

exactly how hard is it to understand Osama's acts? are you going to condemn every analyst out there who attempts an objective analysis?

in my opinion, someone who CANNOT see that America is the enemy of OBL as well as much of the Middle East is either simply ignorant or blind.

i think i may be too harsh here. i think you probably simply misread my post. however, your tone was way too presumptuous for me to bear.

 

1) Israel is not threatened by totalitarian fanatics. 200 Israeli nukes i think are sufficient to protect them against that.

In fact, there are plenty in the world (including many here in Europe) who consider Israel to be the totalitarian fanatical regime.

Israel's true threat comes from its own people and the people she continues to persecute and oppress within her occupied territories.

Gee. I guess "we support freedom" must be also the reason we've taken so much care to ensure Palestinian freedoms. LOL!

 

Great post F.D.! Great to see good sense in here every now and then!

 

Assasination is not "shooting someone who´s shooting at you". If you can assasinate them you should be able to arrest them with a little more effort.
If someone shot a friend of yours you don´t have the right to go out and find that person and shoot him, do you?
All palestinians don´t want them dead. There are many peace loving palestinians. Still they get there houses bulldozed by the israeli army.
I guess part of what I´m trying to say is that I find it even worse when states commit terrorist acts than when terrorists do.
States are supposed to fight that sort of atrocity not freakin´ be just as bad.

 

Assasination is not "shooting someone who´s shooting at you". If you can assasinate them you should be able to arrest them with a little more effort.

Not when you don't have soveirgnty over the lands. Again, do you think we need to arrest OBL or can blow him up if we think we know where he might be?

If someone shot a friend of yours you don´t have the right to go out and find that person and shoot him, do you?

If I was in a war, yes I do.

All palestinians don´t want them dead. There are many peace loving palestinians. Still they get there houses bulldozed by the israeli army.


What's your point? You started out by talking about assassinating Hamas leaders, not regular civilians.

If someone runs an organization who's primary aim is your destruction, attacks you using bombs and missiles, and lives on territory you don't control, do you or don't you think you should have the right to fight back?

 

Major,

That same logic is what Hamas and Islamic Jihad Use to attack innocent civilians. Because Israel has mandatory military service, every man and woman are, were, or will be in the military except for a small religious group that recieved an exemption.

So everyone is fair game and bombing a bus is simply a military attack and not a horrible event??

 

you're making a great point here, Lengendary21. let me provide some source material.

INTERNATIONAL LAW, and by extension, U.S. law (since we are a signatory nation), DECLARES what Israel is doing is wrong. how ever her supporters may try to wrangle the issue, it's them against the world.

israel as the occupying power in Palestine, is bound by international law to observe the Geneva Convention. I quote U.N. Resolution 51/132, overwhelmingly passed by the General Assembly in 1996, SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION (passed because it went through the General Assembly, where America could not use its veto):

I'll also cite Amnesty International in 1999:

and again in 2001:

 

That same logic is what Hamas and Islamic Jihad Use to attack innocent civilians. Because Israel has mandatory military service, every man and woman are, were, or will be in the military except for a small religious group that recieved an exemption.

They can use the twisted logic all they want - it doesn't make it right. Killing civilians who are no longer in the military certainly can't be considered military targets. A 100 yr old WWII veteran here in the states is not considered by anybody with any common sense to be a valid military target.

Call me crazy, but I think anybody with a modicum of common sense can see that a 9 month old baby or a 80 year old grandmother have a different role in life than the leader of a military organization who has stated their goal is to destroy Israel.

By this standard, we have no right to go after Osama bin Laden or anybody in Al Queda, because we would be committing terrorism by doing so.

 

It´s about HOW you fight back.

 

t´s about HOW you fight back.

Wow, thanks for that. If someone runs an organization who's primary aim is your destruction, attacks you using bombs and missiles, and lives on territory you don't control, do you or don't you think you should have the right to target the guy? If we identify a caravan carrying Osama bin Laden in the remote mountains of Afghanistan, is it or is it not OK to fire a missile at it?

I'm asking you what is and isn't acceptable in "how you fight back".