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Francis and Larry Brown have words after game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old School, Feb 7, 2001.

  1. Rockets R' Us

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    Didn't Don Nelson do this a few games back? After Steve dunked it didn't Don say something along the lines of "Don't be an a**h*le" ? This isn't good if their is a coach's panel which chooses players to replace people who are skipping the all star game.

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  2. Achebe

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    Steve's playing the right way... it's not as if he shot the ball in the closing seconds of a blowout...

    oh wait, that was Monday. [​IMG]

    It's all good though. It's a young, learning team. Besides, by Shandon setting up Langhi... I think the Rockets have created a monster.

    Monster Langhi!

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  3. Francis3

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    Don and Steve are good friends now. Steve sent him a get well card. They greet each other very well when on court.

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  4. Admore

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    All this aside, as much as I think benchies have the right to score in garbage minutes, it might have been uncalled for. Letting the clock run out might have been a bit more classy...

    But Iverson's constant whingeing is pretty much uncalled for too. He's like a quicker smaller Carl Malone. Great game, great flopping, more tatoos, more rapping, fewer cheapshots, equal whining...

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  5. Jeff

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    Damn, I agree with Barkley. It is the same concept as fouling a guy hard when he comes down the lane. The next time, he'll think twice before doing it.

    I mean, these guys are professionals and adults. It isn't like some kids coach running up the score on a bunch of other kids. If they can't handle that, oh well.

    The Rockets need something to be proud of and they need to stand up for themselves. I'll admit I didn't view that as the most sportsman-like thing to do and it won't make the all-time gentleman's list but Brown needs to get over it.

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  6. CBrownFanClub

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    Sorry to dissent, but Brown was right. Running up the score is classless and BS.

    We'll learn, not a big deal.

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    Wait, so your saying that because of one last second play the Rockets are not showing class. Honestly is there a book about showing class or somethin around here cause this is rediculous!!!! Why hold the ball for the last few seconds of a blow out? Why not shoot or score in the last seconds to try something or run the clock out? Honestly what would you's do? I would have done exactly what we did. Class is going out, giving 100%, backing your team-mates, helpin the other teams players up off the floor and not using unneccesary verbal or physical abuse. Scoring is Basketball, Basketball is 48+ minutes, 48+ minutes of playing Basketball is giving 100%, 100% effort is class! Case closed, end of story!!!

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  8. Old School

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    From Phillynews.com


    Blowout ends with flare-up



    by Phil Jasner
    Daily News Sports Writer

    The 76ers battled through a surprise blizzard Monday and found a way to gather their forces in time to beat the Denver Nuggets. Last night, after an otherwise perfectly clear, shining day, they found themselves hopelessly lost in a fog.

    This wasn't just a loss, it was a bad one. One that ended with an ugly, unnecessary twist. One that will stay with them through the NBA All-Star break that begins today.

    It wasn't just a 112-87 loss to the Houston Rockets, the largest-of-the-season 25-point differential or the third loss in succession to opponents with sub-.500 records. It was the Rockets' Shandon Anderson hurling the ball the length of the court to rookie Dan Langhi, who dropped in a layup at the final buzzer. It was Sixers coach Larry Brown yelling, "That's bull." It was the Rockets' Steve Francis, after spewing a few expletives, getting in Brown's face and yelling, "You lost. You lost. You lost."

    That's what the Sixers took home with them, along with their remarkable 36-14 record, the knowledge that injured point guard Eric Snow is likely to resume playing Tuesday night in Milwaukee and the uncertain situation surrounding All-Star center Theo Ratliff.

    Ratliff, who suffered a sprained right wrist a few weeks ago, appeared to aggravate the injury last night. Although X-rays were negative, he was scheduled to undergo an MRI exam this morning to check for the possibility of a stress fracture or ligament damage.

    "If the All-Star Game were [today], he would be uncomfortable," said Dr. Jack McPhilemy, the Sixers' orthopedic specialist.

    Ratliff is scheduled to join the Sixers' Allen Iverson as a starter in Sunday's All-Star Game in Washington.

    At the same time, the Sixers coaches were scheduled to send Snow (stress fracture, right ankle), Matt Geiger (arthroscopic surgery, right knee) and Toni Kukoc (strained lower back) through a workout this morning to get a better read on the likelihood of their availability for the game in Milwaukee.

    Strength and conditioning coach James Lloyd was scheduled to travel to the Tampa, Fla., area to work with Geiger at his ranch. Snow, as the Sixers' player representative, will be in Washington for meetings and was planning to work out with the Sixers' staff, who will assist Brown in coaching the East.

    But even with all that swirling around, what seemed to hurt the Sixers most was the disappointing way the loss to the Rockets ended.

    "They were great, they were great up to the last five-tenths of a second," Brown said. He declined to elaborate.

    "I know Steve [Francis]," the Sixers' Tyrone Hill said. "I like his game. But you don't go after [an opposing] coach like that. I'm just hurt. Coach [Brown] is like a grandfather to him. He loves young players, so you know he likes Steve Francis.

    "We don't look down on them. If we had them down 30, we would never do that, no matter what happens. They've got to apologize. They've got the ball, they've got the game, they had nothing to prove."

    Anderson, seeing Francis and Brown going at each other, hurried over to the Sixers' bench to say, "We're not trying to do that, you know that." Snow stepped between Brown and Francis.

    "You can't blame the whole loss on that," said Francis, who had 23 points and was still on the floor in the final minutes because backup Moochie Norris had suffered an ankle injury. "If they want to, so be it. . .I love Larry Brown, too. He's such a competitor, just like I am. If we got spanked at home, I'd have been mad, too."

    Make no mistake, the Sixers - who have bordered on amazing all season - did get spanked. Cuttino Mobley, from Cardinal Dougherty High, also scored 23 points, and 38-year-old Hakeem Olajuwon erupted for 18 points and 14 rebounds in 25 minutes.

    "I have no control over what happens out there with 3 seconds to go," Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich said. "Believe me, I'm not calling plays with 3 seconds to go. A guy picked the ball up and threw the ball down the court. Our young guys just like to play. I thought the game was over; I was down in the tunnel, time had sort of run out, everybody was walking off the floor."

    The Sixers were walking off with their fourth loss in their last six games, looking like a team that very much needed the All-Star break.

    "They kicked our butts, that was the most troubling [part]," Brown said. "They were great. New Jersey ran 50 pick-and-rolls against us [in Sunday's loss by the Sixers] and they must've run the same amount. We didn't do a very good job of stopping penetration.

    "The last 10, 12 games, we've had too many one pass-shoot possessions, too many bad shots. When you're having a hard time guarding people, you can't just come down and shoot when no one else touches it. . . You can't shoot quickly when you're shorthanded. You've got to control the tempo and run plays, and we're not running a lot of offense. With us, if we're not getting a lot done offensively, we're putting too much pressure on [ourselves]."

    The Sixers also played for the second game in succession without backup point guard Kevin Ollie, who remained in Hartford, Conn., to be with his wife, Steph-anie, who gave birth to a daughter Monday night. And the shock troops who were so effective against the Nuggets seemed somewhat overmatched this time. Not that that made the subs any different than the starters.

    "Just a poor team performance," Sixers forward George Lynch said. "We got away from our total team concept - helping on defense, offensive execution. We didn't share the ball, we got caught playing too much one-on-one. It was just bad all-around, one of those things. We have to come back, regroup after the break, get healthy and refocus."

    But if the Rockets' layup at the buzzer and the accompanying trash-talking by Francis bothered the Sixers, it didn't seem to faze Iverson.

    "I didn't see anything wrong with it, if that's the way they are, if that's the type of players they are," said Iverson, who scored 26 points. "Obviously, they didn't see anything wrong with it. Obviously, it must have felt real good to beat us. I'd be lying to say I expected it. I didn't expect anything like that, but I could see how it could happen."

    The Sixers' Aaron McKie, who came up under the hard disciplinary hands of Simon Gratz coach Bill Ellerbee and Temple's John Chaney, said the way the final seconds unfolded was "everything against what I've been taught.

    "With coach Brown, the kind of coach he is, if we have a lot of points and the ball [at the end], he'll say kill the clock, don't take shots," McKie said. "Play basketball, don't try and show a team up, because it can always come back to haunt you.

    "It's not a big deal. We know and understand how to play the right way. There have been plenty of nights we've had the opportunity to do that to other teams; it's not in our makeup. We're not going to get caught up in that scene."



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  9. ROXTXIA

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    The Rockets are young, exuberant. Sometimes they do young, dumb things. At the same time, Francis just got snubbed for the All-Star game and has been on a losing team and probably has a ton of frustration; the Rox have just found their game (and confidence) again; the Rox believe themselves better than their record; and I'm sure other teams have rubbed our noses in it once or twice and had choice comments here or there that we never hear about, thinking they can lord it over the Rox----things our players remember. Besides, for the Sixers, it might not matter soon. They'll be in the playoffs, they'll go deep. The Rox? We'll need a gargantuan effort just to get in. So he who laughs last...

    This will blow over.

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  10. Rocket River

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    I-verson . . the model of model sportsmanship

    I'm with everyone else. . .GET OVER IT

    It is really not that big a deal
    [remember when boy got his triple double.]
    LET A SCRUB GET IN THE STAT SHEET

    AT WHAT POINT should you stop playing ball?

    Up 20 with 2 minutes left? 3 minutes? 5?
    Should Minnesota have stopped after half time?
    51-19? don't wanna run up the score?

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  11. Philly Phlash

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    It's all about sportsmanship. I have seen many games where the 76ers have had double digit leads, to their credit, have simply run out the clock. To do otherwise shows a lack of class. I remember the Eagles were trouncing the Cowboys with about 45 sec's to go. Randall Cunningham takes the snap, and appeards to kneel to let the clock run. However he faked it, stood up and threw a bomb to a receiver (Quick?) in the end zone, resulting in a pass int penalty, and eventually a TD. Good ol Buddy Ryan was behind that. I am an Eagles fan, but I thought that was terrible sportsmanship.

    Things like that always come back to haunt you.

    Sixers - Eastern Division Champs!!!!!!
    Iverson - MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  12. RocksMillenium

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    You know the funniest thing, is that the "classy" Larry Brown, Iverson and the 76ers team were showing how "classy" they are by just trashing talking and taunting the Pacers when they were beating them in Indiana a few weeks ago. I mean they were just flat out RIPPING the players for over 30 seconds. And they also ran the score up on the Knicks in NY a few months ago. You didn't hear the Rockets whining about having the score run up on them in the Miami and Clippers games last week. Sounds to me like sour grapes.

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    And another thing.....Coach Brown is a highly respected man. Look at Larry, could you really see him in a bar w/7 woman draped around him? C'mon.

    Anyone claiming that this isn't running up the score, you're simply not being honest with yourself.

    Win by 23, or win by 25.

    The proper way to react to a ass whipping is to walk off the court as if it really wasn't a surprise. Like you knew you were going to do it all along.

    Instead, you go overboard, and act (in my opinion correctly) as if you just beat the best team in the league.

    Losers.

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    That's right it WILL come back to haunt you. The fact that Philly sat there and taunted Indiana players FOREVER when they were going to get a win there a few weeks ago will come back to haunt you. And the fact that you ran the score up on the Knicks earlier this year in NY will come back to haunt you when they beat you in the Eastern Conference Finals. . .



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  15. Mango

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    Philly,

    How did you find this BBS and is this just a one time event for you to post here?

    Any equivalent '76 BBS out there?


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    HAHAHA! Man you guys are bitter aren't you! [​IMG] Look you got your ass whipped, take it like a man and move on! [​IMG]


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  17. Philly Phlash

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    I don't think y'all down there in TX know about the Pacers game. Let me try to educate y'all.

    During the game in IN, a fan had been taunting Iverson the entire game. This idiot called names like monkey (a name they called Patrick Ewing in IN too!) said things about his mom & daughter, etc. Iverson, and ONLY IVERSON, reacted to this by calling the taunting fan a f*****. No other player got involved.

    Sure Allen should have ignored the dope, but he lost control.

    It's over and done with.

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  18. Primetime

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    Are we missing the basic point here? The Rockets have to run up the score in order to keep up their BCS ranking! Just ask Bobby Bowden what he thinks about the last second shot.
     
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    The Rocks certainly do , ROCK that is! [​IMG]

    Dear Coach Brown,
    Since when is there an appropriate way to kick your ass?
    Your friend,
    Houston Texas.


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  20. RocksMillenium

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    I'm not talking about Allen taunting the fan, I'm talking about Allen taunting Jermaine O'Neal, Reggie Miller and the other Pacers by sticking out his tongue, constantly giving the throating slashing sign, and just talking trash ENDLESSLY for over half a minute.

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