Would Olajuwon consider Houston a title contender with the acquisition of C-Webb?

I don't think we would have to renounce Hakeem to sign Webber, if we could sign him for an average deal, say $4 million, one year. We sign Hakeem first, which clears cap to sign Webber

Depends on how much cap money we have. If we've only have around 11 or 12 million free then that probably won't work.If we renounce everybody, then we can get to around $14M, but it's doubtful that we'd do that. Let's say we've got $12M (excluding Hakeem's salary)in cap space. Now let's do as you suggested and sign Hakeem for $4M. That only leaves us with $8M in cap space and that's probably not enough to sign Webber (who can get $11M/season). In order to pull of the scenario that you described we'd have to first somehow (trades and renouncments) get to around $15M under the cap.

So, theoretically, we could waive Dream, resign him at the end of the season for $1 million+, and then pull a sign & trade (without any adverse cap consequences)?

More realistically, we'd renounce Hakeem, then sign Webber and then resign Hakeem. If we were to resign Hakeem prior to acquiring Webber, then Hakeem's salary would count against our cap space and minimize what we could offer Webber.

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All of these scenarios are pie in the sky.

CWebb or no CWebb, Dream would not sign for the minimum.



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I'm Contract Illiterate (CI - a condition in which one spontaneously attacks lawyers) - so please, explain the difference between renouncing a player and waiving one...?

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You know what, maybe I like Mobley so much that I give him to much credit. If Mobley is as bad as people say with his decision making, and his shot selection is killing team chemistry, what on earth makes people think that Chris Webber would want to come here!?

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[This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited February 06, 2001).]

 

Killing team chemistry? By taking too many shots? I can see that...

You wanna kill some more team chemistry, just keep going in your play to get Cuttino out of here. Get rid of our other should-be All-Star...

That will not happen, BTW. Not for another 6 years, at least.

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I agree with you treeman, even though Mobes has an out clause in his 3rd year of the contract. The Rocks beat NY, and even though I can understand criticism he (DID have 7 turnovers), I'm seeing post with people saying he will never win a championship, he has not matured, trade him for Courtney Alexander or for front court help, or that his game is stopping Francis growth, or that he is killing team chemistry. All I see is a 3rd year player still maturing. Some players take longer then others. And if Mobley isn't gone by then, I think he'll prove that.

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I didn't know about the 3rd-year Option. What else do you know about it?

BTW, when do we re-up Steve?

These are all things Cuttino is thinking about right now.

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so please, explain the difference between renouncing a player and waiving one...?

It's a pretty minor differences, mainly based on whether or not the player is under contract:

- You waive a player that you currently have under contract and of course you still owe any guarenteed money. If you waive a player you lose the players Bird Rights (i.e. you have to start over).

- You renounce a player that is a free agent. In this case you lose the players Bird rights until the following June 30th.



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I'll remember and hold you to it, driver8.

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driver8- "If the Rockets sign Webber in the off season, I'll eat my own crap."

 

I think we have a new winner for the quotable sigs.





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"Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives,
but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is." -- Barbara Bush

 

I would love to see C-Webb sign here and Olajuwon stay and play one more productive season as a rocket.

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Finding nowhere anyone as precious as one's own self.
Since each and every person is so precious to themselves
Let the self-respecting harm no other being. -from the Samyutta Nikaya

 

Do not pay attention to the uneducated posters. 90% of people here are nothing but bashers looking for someone to bash. Cuttino is doing exactly what he is asked to do. He is one of the top guards in the league. His shot selection IMO is very good for a guard of his talents. He is a complete team player imho-- sure, he shoots a lot. But that is his role as the shooting guard. He's just as much of a team player as any shooting guard in the league. He always waits for the double team to swing the ball around to the open man. He always looks on drives for anyone cutting to the basket. (see the play where Shandon cut to the hole last night) He is our team leader and he keeps the chemistry together. Webber said himself his attraction here is that we are his favorite backcourt to watch. Mobley is part of that. If you ask any anaylst, coach, player, etc. around the league, you will hear nothing but positives about Cuttino. It's amazing how well respected and liked the guy is, and with due reason. It's a shame that his own fans are so desperate to find a scapegoat for losing that they overlook his tremendous play.

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If the Rockets sign Webber in the off-season, I will let driver8 eat my crap.

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I dont think C-Webb will come here.

He will probably go to the Knicks, detroit, or just stay in Sacramento.

So I would be just as happy with:

Cato/Haywood
Mo/KT/Rogers(or Collier)
Morris/Wizard
Shandon/Cuttino
Francis/Mooch

It would be a deeper team than what we would have had if we signed C-Webb(no mo or Shandon).

We might be able to pick up griffin with a combination of cap room+multiple draft picks.

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As a lifetime Rocket's fan I would love nothing more than getting Webber and keeping Hakeem. That would be a great start to a new era and a great end to the best era in Rocket's history. If it was my money, I would want to get a great new free agent while keeping the best player Houston has ever had. Long live the Dream!!

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Picture this. Dream does a Sir Charles and signs for a minimum wage. We offload Cato and Los. Langhi and Collier get better and become solid backups. Shanon actually starts playing again. MoT works tough during the off season, takes another 1year deal. CWebb likes the situation here. He comes over.

That way, we have starting:
Dream
CWebb
Shanon
Cat
Francis

Bench:
MoT
Wiz
Moochie
Collier
Langhi



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MoochieRainey, I never said anything about anybody else's crap, just my own. I thought that wake a few people up. Hold it to me, I'll take it. The words "pipe dream" don't even begin to describe the level of hopes expressed in this thread.

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I hope Dream can keep playing at a decent level.

If C-Webb comes here (and I think he will), Mo's best bet is to sign with Detroit, the team that would lose out on Webber, hometown for both players, I believe. Detroit would be desperate at that point to get somebody.

If he stays, that would be nice. My own fantasy is that Riley's mentioning having talked with Houston about "Hakeem" and "many things, many things" will bear fruit in this way:

Cato's IR stint merely a prolonged rehab so that, after the All-Star Break, we can ship him and Walt and maybe Los to Miami (the Heat have inquired about both players). We take on cap-ending players (Ceballos, Majerle, Green) and Miami's #1 pick (we give the pick to Vancouver and kill that business of owing them). Even without the pick, we free up approximately 10 million extra dollars. Then we can not only get Webber but re-sign Shandon, maybe Mo if he stays (but not for too much $$$), and go after players like Marc Jackson. If Jackson insists on playing for a loser, we'll still have picks to grab, say, Terrence Morris and that Scalabrine kid, say, some PF/C who can play inside and out.

Anyway, blah blah blah, I just want to say that I hope Miami takes our players so we can free up the money and have options.

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A dream team lineup? C'mon, that ain't gonna happen. Rockets couldn't get Payton a few years ago, and they won't get Webber. The idea of Dream & C-Webb on the same team would be great if there were no such thing as the salary cap. Finally, there aren't enough shots for Dream, Webber, Steve, Cat, and the other guy...oh yeah, the ballboy Shandon. Let fat Mo go! Mooch for prez!

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Aelliot's post demonstrates that if the Rockets sign Webber, the only way they will have salary cap to sign one of either Hakeem, Shandon or Mo is to do a salary dump. For example, if we can dump Cato for an expiring contract, it clears up space for us to resign one of the above three players. Keep in mind that we need to keep open cap space of approximately $1 million to resign Moocie after we sign the other free agents, and that our one or more first round draft picks will take up cap space, too.
And I don't think Hakeem will go through the rigors of an 82 game season for $1 million. Hakeem is a businessman who wants to make money, who already has two rings. Hakeem would cost us at least $4 million for one year. If Shandon opts out, he counts $4.4 million against the cap until signed. Mo will cost $4.0 million against the cap until signed.

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