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Lance Berkman campaigns against allowing boys into girls' bathrooms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Oct 2, 2015.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Throughout history people in the majority made up excuses to discriminate against people in the minority. And throughout history, the made up excuses get exposed for what they are, and things change.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    People make up irrational reasons and fears to discriminate against others. The truth is that people find transgender people to be repulsive, and so they create a false narrative to justify their prejudice. That they are perverts and pretending.

    This is the nature of bias - it happened and still happens with blacks, gays, other minorities and women. Most hate isn't open, it's rationalized and people aren't even aware of it.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Nice job pointing out the sexist nature of how attacks might only happen to females. I'm not sure why your conclusion is we need age specific bathrooms because most of the killers and molesters of children are women.

    Although I don't like how homosexuals have been tied to trans, I don't really care about this act. I do care that so much political capital was used for it. And while politics in churches is a problem, going after churches legally will get you no where and further alienate you from the community. Mayor Parker is a FAT zero in this last term, she really damaged Houston.
     
  4. SWTsig

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    There are literally 16 pages of valid reasons why prop 1 should've passed... Did you just happen to gloss over them?

    Practically every major city in the country has a similar ordinance. Every major city in Texas has a similar ordinance. Almost ZERO instances of transgendered men raping little girls. You see weekly stories of female teachers sexually preying on adolescent boys yet I don't see any conservatives grabbing their pitchforks demanding that females not be allowed to teach... I mean **** there's waaaaaaay more precedence of that be a legitimate concern. Or how about allowing children at church? I can find you dozens and dozens of cases of clergymen preying on little children. But strangely enough no outcry.

    But the second you mention LGBT it becomes this massive moral imperative that demands immediate action since its treated as an immediate and very real threat, regardless of the fact that it's practically never happened in cities across the country.

    And that's completely ignoring the gobs and gobs of big and pro business organizations that supported it because it was flat out good business. Even groups with staunchly conservative leadership like HAR and HRC and companies like HP, BBVA, GE, Apple, etc.

    It's just baffling.
     
  5. BamBam

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    Responses such as this (from BOTH sides) do absolutely nothing but bring more divisiveness! You, I, everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you're not a convict, a vote as well! If you and I don't agree on this issue, so be it! It doesn't make You/I any smarter or dumber! We simply disagree!
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  6. JayGoogle

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    Seems like you missed the point of those posts entirely.
     
  7. TMac&Cheese

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    Surprised all the #yesonprop one commercials didn't sway the vote. Those were all over the place. Now we get to hear about how people "didn't understand" the bill now that one side lost.

    Also, the Mayor Parker couldn't have been more bitter in defeat. She could learn a thing or two from Garcia about how to handle herself.
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    You mean putting up a strawman? I just dismissed that as D&D nonsense and hit upon the important issues I felt your post brought up.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    I do love how some think that it's discriminatory to have males use male facilities and females use female facilities....even if they have a mental condition that causes them to believe they are a different sex.

    You crazy kids must really be out of ideas to protest about when that's the best you have. You'd think there was no legitimate civil rights grievances left with something that weak getting this much attention.
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    Yes I am only responding to the strawman that supporting this prop means little girls will get raped in restrooms.

    Any ways of course you are correct, I just showing how silly the argument against this and the one used in ads actually is.
     
  11. SWTsig

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    Wow. I suppose with your logic we should be allowed to openly discriminate against people with downs or autism or bipolar disorder right? I mean they're just silly "mental conditions", right? Why do they need to be singled out in receiving equal protection under the law.

    I find it odd how little compassion humans can have towards other humans. Is it really too much to ask to treat even TG people with the same respect as everyone else? How is it that hard for some??
     
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    I'm completely against actual discrimination.....I just don't find that having people use facilities appropriated for their actual sex to be discriminatory. If one had a mental condition that made them believe that they were the president of the US, I wouldn't think it was discriminatory to prevent them from setting up shop in the White House. This is no different.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting to see the different ways people are justifying discrimination. Though nothing new, unfortunately.
     
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    Glad this was defeated.

    A win for the sane population.
     
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    Funny how in the age of instant information in the palm of your hand people still choose not to inform themselves. They let someone else do it for them.

    The ultimate Irony
     
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    So those celebrating are saying they would rather share the restroom with the transgendered. They are saying they are comfortable standing at a urinal while a male who identifies as female stands next to them in the men's room, where they belong. This is what they prefer, actually.

    And they are okay with their sons sharing the men's room with the transgender as well, they are okay with this, everyone is safe now.


    Interesting angle.
     
  17. Commodore

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    It's exactly the opposite. The uninformed who read this as generic anti-discrimination measure were the ones who supported it.

    Dress it up any way you want, this ordinance was written to allow men into women's restrooms.

    No one mildly informed was going to support it.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It is discriminatory to make a woman use the men's bathroom.

    It is biased and hateful to call a transgender woman a man.

    It is naive and ignorant to say this is just about dressing up as the other sex. You've been so indoctrinated to think one way your minds just can't handle that reality is that the science is pretty sound that a transgender person literally someone having the body of one sex and the mind of another. It's sad that you and others can not accept it, and shows how narrow minded you are.
     
  19. SWTsig

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    But that's such a MINOR quibble on a MAJOR issue... Over and over again it's been demonstrated that this fear of TG people sexually preying on the vulnerable it's almost completely unfounded. Never mind the fact that TG people number in the very very few to begin with.

    It's strange that even though you and many like you claim to be anti discrimination you are not only discriminating against those in the TG community by being against this proposition, you're also willing to throw every other discriminatory category under the bus including race, military service, sexual orientation, religion, pregnant status, etc in order to prevent an almost negligible and purely hypothetical "consequence."

    It's like being against the sale of something as healthy as honey because you're afraid of bear attacks.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    No one is suggesting that women should use the men's bathroom, if you are female, you use the female facilities....that's why this ordinance was shut down. You can't choose your sex, it's biology.
     

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