#AssaultAtSpringValley

Grabbing her wasn't wrong, she was being an ******* and had to be removed from the classroom, since she wouldn't comply, removing her by force was the right call....he just used too much force, but not at the beginning.

Her lashing out at him while he's trying to do his job is assault and a felony under Texas law.

Strictly speaking, no it wasn't since he had "a legal or statutory duty to act"

Her not being a threat is irrelevant, the officer was trying to legally escort her out of the classroom that she was disrupting and she failed to comply forcing the hand of the cop to remove her by force. Like I said earlier, I think he used too much force when he tossed her across the room, but his general action was perfectly legal and is exactly what should be done in that scenario.....just don't throw them across the room.

I disagree that any "normal human" would commit a felony in that scenario.

Yes, and they both are. He used too much force, she committed a felony.

So long as you understand that his only failure was when he threw her across the room....that's what he got "canned" for, not for forcibly removing her from her chair. Removing her from her chair was doing his job.

Maybe, but there are lots out there just looking to be offended. I could see some forced outrage no matter what....unless it was a white male, then no one would care outside the family.

As to facing charges, I doubt it. I think the department will face a lawsuit for excessive force, but there wasn't any legitimate injury so a criminal case would fall on its face. He has protection in that he was acting as a police officer.

 

Why are you ignoring the fact that the black student had no respect at all for the black teacher sine you're bringing up "color" as part of your debate. We need more male teachers and that black man could have been making more money driving a freakin truck.

And a white Mexican... What the F is that...?

Play stupid games and you win stupid prizes. One day when you grow up you will understand that.

Boys of all colors aren't protected... And my point stands, if that student would have been a male _ there wouldn't be the same outrage.

And the same rules that apply to males not acting stupid with the cops applies to females also because the cops will jack them up too... Unless you believe there should be different sets of rules for cops to deal with males and females.

You supported the cops actions with Garner and Brown so why are you changing your tune in this situation...?

 

It's not so much that I think there SHOULD be a double standard, but there certainly IS a double standard when it comes to treatment of males vs treatment of females.

As to supporting the cop's actions, in this case, I think the decision to remove her by force was the right idea, I just think they used too much force. It's actually similar to the Garner case. I didn't support throwing the cop in jail for what he did, but I fully supported firing him and had no problem with the huge lawsuit.

I see a difference between the decision to use force and the excessive use of force. The Brown case was entirely different because the cop was actually being attacked and was a legitimate threat. What Garner did was defensive in nature, what Brown did was offensive in nature and this little girl didn't represent an actual threat despite her assaulting the police officer according to the law.

If everything happened the same except that he didn't throw her across the room like a rag doll and instead just dragged her out of the desk and cuffed her then IMO the cop shouldn't even be reprimanded.

 

Bobby, I feel like I owe you an apology.

I was drinking, and more than a little heated, when I got into this thread. You and I disagree on so many things, on a fundamental level, but I honestly believe that if we were to meet in real life, we would be friends.

You can be obnoxious to my world view, but you have your opinions, and I don't think you're a bad guy because of them. I apologize for calling you a conservative troll and comparing you to bigotexxx. You're way more reasonable than he is (which isn't hard).

Remii, every time I read your posts, I feel like I'm having an acid trip. I know that you're trying to communicate, and I know there's a point buried in there somewhere, but it's not often easy to see.

It's not because I'm stupid.

It's because you're a poor communicator.

I do apologize for calling you a ****ing moron though. That was uncalled for.

 

No worries. I have lots of friends that I don't see eye to eye with when it comes to politics and the like. I don't judge people simply because they disagree with me....and I especially don't judge people based on what boils down to alcohol related banter.

The fact that you wrote this at all means that you do put thought into the things you say, which I appreciate.

 

What did the Duke rape case make clear? I don't know -- don't trust everything the media says and lacross is not as popular as football maybe. Why, what do you think it made clear?

And I said he was a strength coach, so not sure what your point with that is either.

And, as far as my three kids go -- no, they don't. But, if I die and their mother goes off the rails and they end up orphans who are having a hard time coping with their lives, and then they start acting out -- then I would hope that they are given mental health and social resources, instead of being inappropriately slammed by an idiotic thug.

 

Ender120, I'm in no means being confrontational with you. I'd like to know how you think the situation should have been handled. She had been asked by teacher, administrator, and campus police to step out of the class and refused. Do you believe that he used excessive force or should not have used force at all.

 

Honestly, I don't think he should have laid hands on the girl at all.

Like other posters have said, he could have dragged her desk (presumably, with her in it) out into the hall.

The class distraction would have been removed, class could have continued, and he could have had a discussion with her away from the eyes of her classmates, where she would no longer feel like she had something to prove and would most probably be more reasonable.

I truly don't believe that the officer had any interest in bringing the situation back to a reasonable level.

I think that this teenage girl refusing to leave her seat was viewed as a threat to his authority, and he acted based on that.

He wrapped his arm around her neck, flipped her backwards onto her head, then threw her across the floor and handcuffed her.

That's not acceptable as an adult, towards a person who is basically still a child, mentally.

He should be held to a higher standard.

I think he was completely in the wrong, and his boss thought so, too.

 

In the spirit of mature discussion, we seem to disagree on certain points.

Yes, he could have tried that, but she could have left her seat at that point and sat in another desk. She was given many opportunities to walk out on her own two feet. The word of the day in education is accountability, yet all the accountability falls on everyone but the students. The student was given at least three chances to make a choice that would have kept her from being forcibly removed. She refused. She needs to be held accountable for her refusal to follow directives from teacher, administrator, and campus police. He could have tried that first, but what would be the solution if she jumped out of her chair?

At the point that it got to her refusing to follow directives, I don't think his interest was catering to her antics. I think it went too far too, but I always look to the point where the situation began.

I work with high school kids. I have for years. There are very few students that are children mentally nowadays. She knew she was being causing a problem. She should have just followed the directive to leave class/go the the office. I just can't understand why she refused to follow a simple directive.

If you rewatch the second video though, when he tried to remove her from the desk, she threw quite a few punches at him. I'm not saying that she deserved to assaulted, but this was in a no way a mental child, unless she has an IEP that identifies her with that condition.

He was held to a higher standard and fired.

They put his history of behavior out there, but I'd like to know her history of behavior. I don't know if its out there or not to be honest.

Mark my words though and you can say you heard it here first. Parents are going to figure out that they can complain about students that disrupt a class, and I wonder how long it will be before these parents start pressing charges against the kids that keep them from getting their education. The teachers are keeping documentation that they have done what they can discipline wise...the office will keep records of the what they have done discipline wise. In the end, students are going to have to be held accountable for their actions that interfere with the education of other students.

 

I'll leave this here for the sake of knowledge. Texas has laws protecting the learning environment.

https://tcta.org/sites/tcta.org/fil...5_removal_of_students_a_guide_for_members.pdf

 

At what point does she throw a punch please show the time of said punch.

 

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Look at it clearly those kids are all scared to do anything because of who this cop is and what he's known for. One of the students did get up and say something and got arrested for it also there was a male student was also arrested. https://boingboing.net/2015/10/27/cop-filmed-throwing-schoolgirl.html

 

Thanks it was missed although it looks like she reaching to grab hold as to not fall so that being said was she charged with anything.

 

She wasn't charged with assault, but she was charged with "Disturbing schools" which is a misdemeanor that can carry a $1,000 fine and/or a 90 day sentence.

She could have been charged for assault, but given the officer's excessive use of force after the fact, they likely didn't want to charge her.

 

Looking at that again that was without a doubt a punch that should have been assault on a officer.

 

They might use that as something they can hold over her head to stop the lawsuit.

 

Another factor, I'm not sure South Carolina has a statute of limitations on felonies so they could decide to bring the assaulting a police officer charge at any time if a lawsuit is ever filed. That's an interesting twist.

 

No, that was my point. Your point was that the sheriff firing him showed "how in the wrong he was." Now it seems you agree that his firing was not based on the reasoned opinion of his boss that he behaved wrongly, but rather bowing to public pressure.

I agree that there are cases where the thin blue line protects bad cops. I disagree that it is applicable here.

I think he was asked to remove the girl from the classroom. He tried to do so verbally, and when that failed he did so physically. When the police arrest uncooperative people it doesn't look pretty. As a suspect you can either cooperate or you are going to get forcefully and quickly thrown to the ground and manhandled into a pair of cuffs. There isn't some in between mode where the cop calmly moves each of the girl's legs out from under the desk and pulls her arms up, both because that puts him in a bad situation and because it isn't going to end up with her out of the desk. Once she refuses to leave the classroom, she is now a criminal and should be treated as such. She was.