I mentioned this in the Random Trade thread but come December you could do: Tjones+Dekker+KJ for Markieff Morris. And you would still have some money for 1 more vet before the Rockets are hard capped.
I think the thinking would be that Markieff's controlled value salary for the next 4 years is a huge plus over TJ. And Markieff's range shooting is much better. I wish he was a better rebounder though. KJ and Dekker are non-rotation players (out of the top 10) so they are ripe to be moved. I guess it all depends on how highly one values the potential of KJ & Dekker vis-a-vis the current production of Morris for this team fighting for a championship this season. In terms of "talent" alone I am sure the Rockets could move TJ and maybe 1 more asset for Morris, but to "salary match" it forces the Rockets to move 3 guys.
Despite the lackluster preseason, a rookie that was drafted as high as Dekker was wont just be valued as trade salary fodder in a deal for a player that isn't at least an all-star by a GM who drafted him. At this point, if it was even possible under the CBA, I can't even see Morey doing a one for one swap for a player like M Morris who has probably even more red flags than Lawson had pre-trade. ............. Its like buying a brand new 30K car. Once you the buyer drives the car off the lot, a couple days later the car isn't worth 30K to another seller who wants to buy the car as a trade in. He might only offer 20K since he will probably turn around and flip the car for 25K. But to the original buyer, he spent 30K of his own cash on the car (probably has a loan on the car too) so he is still going to want his 30K that he spent back, and a little something for his efforts. The car is still brand new to him, he went through alot to get that car, and likely owes the bank for that car. Same goes to a GM who made that investment in his pick this early after the draft. Morey isn't essentially going to "trade in" his new car right away when he just drove it off the lot. He loses credibility and return on his investment that obviously he sought after for some months of preparation. Dekker isn't getting traded just because he had a couple rough preseason games. To Morey, that's still a new car that he's not going to get the value he invested in back if he trades it in this soon.
I like where your head's at - I personally feel like that's too much to lose for a potential chemistry nightmare. I don't know if anyone knows what they'll get out of Morris anymore. It wouldn't upset me in the slightest to see this trade go through like this though.
I would be highly surprised if Morey would let sunken costs affect his decision making. If trading for Morris helps the team more than the players that would be given up, Morey would do the deal regardless of whether one of the players was just drafted. That said, what has happened in preseason has little bearing on Dekkar's actual value and it is tough to say who would be getting better end of the deal.
I actually didn't have a problem with the post. Not super informative, but confirms what we've all been thinking. Found the part about Larry Sanders interesting too. It's one thing to know that they're willing to trade certain guys, it's another that they are looking to trade them... Thanks OP...
History says otherwise. Of course, not everything is set in stone by mid-season, but even for picks drafted even higher, the organization at that point has at least a great feel for things like how the player fits in within an NBA organization. Instead of workouts, summer league, etc., where someone might stand out for one reason or another against lesser competition, by mid-season, that player has been through a whole camp, has maybe gotten some real playing time, etc. And the thing to judge then is improvement with age, or is what it is. DM traded for Thomas Robinson... who I think was the #5 pick in his draft, his rookie year. And there was nothing close to an all-start that went back. DM will absolutely unload Dekker if he thinks it helps the team overall, and the return definitely doesn't have to be an all-star like player.
People complain, but I'll take a thousand threads like these over ones concerned with where James puts his Harden.
That's my old real point. gauging his value vs. what Morris brings to the table is 99% opinion, and my opinion FWIW (not much) is that I'd rather keep the depth, and invest in Motiejunas long term as the guy at PF over Morris with not minding keeping a very serviceable/versatile backup PF in Jones in the process. Does Morris help the team.... that's all opinion based on very little statistical evidence suggesting he's much better than what we already have, and I personally think that people are living way too much in the moment (again... its preseason) and not thinking long term. The Rockets just need to survive the first part of the season, and get everyone healthy. Losing two good players, and a good prospect rookie for one good player who certainly isn't great is bad return on investment any way you look at it. That somewhat minor upgrade you get from Motiejunas to Morris isn't worth losing the depth and the potential for Dekker to get better and Motiejunas to regain his form that he had midseason last year would make the deal a no-brainer not in favor of this deal. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Of course he will. He sent out a first round pick for Lawson this Summer, and gave up Lamb/picks for Harden. Those deals helped the team so he made the deal. That being said, in the deals proposed above, he's essentially a throw in, and its debatable how much Morris helps this team over a healthy D-Mo, Jones, and whatever else Dekker becomes in the future.
I agree 100%, but i think people look at the starting lineup when you plug in morris and what harrell could bring already on the bench. It would be one of the starting lineups that could really take on warriors or spurs. Plus Morris is sign for 4 years @ 8 per bargain contract for his production, and hes usually healthy unlike jones or dmo. This is where the tempation is coming from i assume...
Maybe the Rockets are trying to trade Harden for Tristan Thompson. Their salaries match, so it would just be an easy swap. Maybe the Rockets are also including in a 1st round draft pick along with Harden for Tristan Thompson. Splash!!!
When i look at this video i think dmo is what houston needs. Maybe trade jones, but i would keep dmo for sure.. https://youtu.be/MSAWJiO4Mi4
Fun theory but players don't lose value by being acquired. And DM the GM is too smart to overvalue a player just because he drafted him. It's certainly possible that, having drafted him, he sees potential in him that other GM's didn't and maybe still don't but that's different than getting attached to a purchase and holding it in illogically high esteem accordingly. I agree though that Dekker hasn't done anything to prove himself a disappointment. He just got here and he was thrown right into the fire. Nobody should expect a mid-first round pick to perform better than he did in his very first outings, not even having gotten good practice with the actual squad.
I'd be happy if Morey trades scrub Dekker for a bag of chips. Don't think we can expect much more. Real assets are TJ and KJ who could return something valuable.
You know even if you said the exact same thing in half as many posts you'd still be saying the exact same thing a good several times daily. You're as obsessed as the "T-Mac isn't a point forward" guy.
Is Dekker done? That fast? Kinda like Chauncey or Joe J or perhaps a hunnert other early rooks? They're tyros. Not pyros...
