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[2015-2016] Jeremy Lin as a Charlotte Hornet

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by swyyyguy, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. boiler

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    If tinman answers this question, I am sure he will, would that make he a Lin fan?
     
  2. KDZ

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    james harden is better than Lin at playing basketball
     
  3. tinman

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    The fact is lin is the worst playoff point guard in the history of the rockets.
    Give me matt maloney all day every day over his overrated ass.

    And the lof are still here, pretending to care about the rockets and houston.

    I see the evil.
     
  4. tinman

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    Patrick beverly actually played against Oklahoma City in the playoffs.
    He didn't get some chump injury like a bruised chest.

    Lin wouldn't even survive in the 90s.
    Can you imagine what gary payton or Stockton vs lin would be like?
    He would cry and tweet bible verses about easter or michael w smith lyrics
     
  5. AvgJoe

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    Everytime I come to this thread, I'm like:

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    It's so addicting!
     
  6. HayesIsBack

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    So the focus is now contract value, but not playoff performance?

    How convenient, when actually given fact, you switch to another metric.

    I guess that's why you also don't want to compare Lin and Beverley's FG%, 3PT%, FT%, points/36min, assists/36min, steals/36min or blocks/36min last year.

    Why would you do that if you can pull up just one convenient metric to compare the two players, even though the same GM actually paid higher for Lin than Beverley per year, just in different years.

    But let's not stop there. 2012 to 2014 seasons.

    Beverley. FG% 41.8%, 41.4%, 38.3%. 3pt% 37.5%, 36.1%, 35.6%. FT% 82.9%, 81.4%, 75.0%. Games played last two seasons - 56/56 (including playoffs). ****, I forgot, the knock Lin before was he couldn't stay healthy. But Beverley plays 56/88 and 56/99 games the last two seasons including playoffs.

    Lin. FG% 44.1%, 44.6%, 42.1%. 3pt% 33.9%, 35.6%, 36.9%. FT% 78.5%, 82.3%, 79.5%. Games played last 3 seasons 82/71/74.

    Beverley pretty much trending down in all shooting metrics, and he's getting injury prone, and his defense has slipped.

    Lin has for the most part stayed flat on overall FG%/FT% and trended up on 3pt%.

    I don't know about you, but 3 straight years of trending down shooting percentages on a team where he's the 5th scoring option and getting left wide open on most plays isn't a positive sign. And getting beat quite frequently even in preseason vs totally abusing Jrue Holiday in preaseason a couple of years ago is a sign of worry in term of losing defensive tenacity.

    Lin on the other hand has clearly gotten better every year. Whether it is left hand, shooting %, turnovers, or decision making. Three years of playing in roles not ideal (2 years off the ball, and 1 year playing for a coach that does not want PnR, 3pt shooting and spacing on offense) for him has rounded holes his game.

    I would say that Lin would be able to effectively play for most teams in a traditional PG role whether as starter or reserve going forward. And he can also play that combo guard role quite well also. But Beverley would most likely need to play alongside a Harden, Lebron or Kobe/DWade (in their prime) to be effective as a PG. If Beverley was the starting PG with say a Reddick at SG and Batum at SF (both are solid $10m/yr salary players), this team's offense without any penetration or playmaking would have a terrible offense.

    My take.

    You can stick to picking your most convenient point of view.
     
  7. HayesIsBack

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    I thought you all thought Beverley would beat his left wrist injury last year and play in the playoffs? Because he was tough as nails.

    C'mon, it's his non-shooting hand.

    McHale played with a broken leg.

    Clap Clap Clap.

    You think Beverley shouldn't play in the playoffs with a non-shooting hand wrist injury? Man, it's not like he actually has to drive, get to the rim, and take hard fouls (1.3 FTA / 36min vs Lin 5.0 FTA / 36min). He just needs to play D with one hand, and sit at the corner waiting for Harden to dish out, and throw up a right handed 3pt shot.
     
  8. Duncan McDonuts

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    Valiant effort to support an argument with metrics, HayesIsBack, but you're arguing against trolls. I wouldn't waste your time if I were you.
     
  9. HayesIsBack

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    Did I mention 61% of Beverley's FG attempts are 3pt shots vs 27% for Lin?

    What a p***y. Gets to the FT line once every 2 games and couldn't play though a non-shooting hand injury despite 61% of his FG attempts coming from sitting at the 3pt line waiting for a Harden drive and dish?
     
  10. HayesIsBack

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    How do you know I'm not just fooling with them for my own laughs.
     
  11. krnxsnoopy

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    You're probably trolling, because back up is back up. Not sure where "Bev backing up a top 10 PG Lawson on a championship team out West" is something to be proud of.

    Aaron Brooks is backing up former MVP Derrick Rose. He's the back up MVP, bruh
     
  12. tinman

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    I smell a lin fan pretending to be a rockets fan.

    No rockets fan in his right mind would take lin over beverly.

    Metrics? He shoots 36% and 20% from 3 for his playoff career.
    8 points.

    Maloney had better playoff numbers

    Wow.
     
  13. tinman

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    The lof are still on clutchfans brother.

    We will destroy them until clutchfans is pure again
     
  14. FTW Rockets FTW

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    What about defense? Bev 2nd team ALL NBA defense. Lin defending himself through passive aggressive twatter tweets

    Having the ball in Lin's hand is detrimental as the Rockets and Lakers found out. He eliminated one team from the playoffs and secured a lottery pick for the other team.
     
  15. tinman

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    Lin fans don't know who michael jackson is dude. They only know michael w smith
     
  16. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Bev is a back up on a winning championship contending team in the tough Western Conference

    Lin couldn't handle all that so fleed to the weak Eastern conference on a lottery team.

    Which do you think is better?
     
  17. FTW Rockets FTW

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    They come back under different monikers pretending to be Rockets fans only to out themselves.

    Idiots going to be idiots.
     
  18. HayesIsBack

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    If you base this on one Lin TO against Portland, let me give you James Harden 2012-13 playoffs against OKC (yes, that series when Lin was injured) excluding one good game. Hey, we can add and subtract when we want, right?

    Harden FG 35/99 = 35.3% 3P 8/35 = 22.8%. TO/game = 4.8. Horrific defense. If your star player and top scorer at near 30 points a game is shooting such ineffectively, you can hardly blame the playoff loss on the 3rd or 4th most important player on the team in Lin.

    The Rockets got to the playoffs with Harden shooting 44/37 in the regular season, and got bounced in the 1st round with Harden shooting 35/23. That series loss had a lot lot more to do with Harden than Lin being injured.

    But who wants to go there?
     
  19. HayesIsBack

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    Notice how we don't talk about playoff performance, offensive or defensive stats, shooting trends, games lost to injury, toughness, player improvements etc anymore when some simple data is laid out.

    It becomes current salary, Eastern vs Western conference, and the return of LOFs pretending to be Rockets fan.

    It is very convenient indeed.

    I would bet I know more about the Rockets from 2007 to now than you would. A full 5 years before Lin joined.
     
  20. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Do you even read? You want playoffs?

     

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