Is Steve Francis and Mo Taylor gonna be at this party?Are you gonna listen to them for inside scoops?
No, I believe that they are clearly the worst team in the West now - even Denver can't help but be better than GS this year. But you have got to be asking yourself what is going on with CD and the Rockets organization. I know that making a major trade is out but small trades such as these were well within their ability to make and they have done nothing to change the complexion of this team. This was not a team that needed to stand still - there are still serious deficiencies particularly at SF & PF that need to be addressed. JVG had better be a basketball wizard who can pull wins out of thin air because if their season tanks it's gonna get ugly... We should all thank God that we aren't Golden State. It must really suck to be a Warriors fan right now.
whoa whoa whoa!!! we wouldve made the playoffs last year if we wouldve one of those silly little games that we were supposed to. we have more than enough talent to do it, and go at least to the 2nd round. the additions of jvg and piatkowski(spelling?) will be the missing pieces. i want to see your comments WHEN we make the playoffs!!!
Another dumb. I don't why many fans (albeit the unassuming ones) think that deals are that easy these days? Please folks consult your brains first before spewing your misplaced anger here. I am tired of people complaining senselessly. What is your proof that the Rockets have not tried anything to improve the team even further? It takes to or sometimes more to tango. If certain teams don't freaking want what we have - CAN CANNOT FREAKING DO A LICK ABOUT IT. Heck for the sake of doing a deal lets trade Steve francis for Jason William and Wesley Person or whoever just for the sake of doing a freaking deal. People think for a change - there is time, need and place ofr everything. Sometimes "sitting on your hands" is not that bad of a thing to do. Now I am angry damn it!!!
this kind of thread is driving me nuts and making me not even want to come to the bbs. Sure, we could have offered someone like Cuttino Mobley for Clifford Robinson and I'm sure they would have taken it, but we'd have then had a 40 year old Clifford Robinson who could maybe help this team THIS YEAR. in other words, we're giving up a player who can contribute to this team for years to come for a player who has one, maybe two mediocre years left in him? because you better face the facts, Clifford Robinsons good years are well past gone. Hell, I personally like Bobby Sura better at this point. The Jamison trade was insane. With the exception of Nick the Quick, Dallas gave up absolutely nothing but garbage in that deal. Would we have wanted to be involved in that trade though? Jamison is two years into an 80 million dollar contract. We've got big money tied up in Steve Francis and we're going to have to give Yao max money in a few years. Can the Rockets afford three players with contracts like that? And even if they can, is Jamison the missing piece? I really don't think so. I'm not even sure he's the missing piece for Dallas though I still like the trade if I'm a Dallas fan. Also, something I'm not seeing mentioned much is that alot of the people who have been moved this offseason and are in the process of being moved are head cases or players that have been at the center of problems in organizations. Sprewell, Van Exel, Van Horn, Cassell. Then there is talk of Rasheed Wallace and Ruben Patterson. Has Jamison killed anyone? I'm curious. Basically of all the moves made so far IN TRADES the only one I would possibly be interested in would be Antawn Jamison, but I don't know that I want him with that contract. Actually, I know I don't. Because if he came here to be the third option and his scoring went down to 15-16 ppg this board would be full of threats about how Jamison isn't worth his massive contract and we need to move him. I'd rather not deal with more of that.
Oh I think we'll make playoffs. I just don't think we'll be improving. I think we'll make it barely in but I think it'll be because some of the current playoff teams will be dropping out. It's going to be one of those seasons where we'll se lights of a real contending team and signs that we haven't gotten any better or we just got worse than last year. That's why I think the loss of rudy was stupid. I think letting posey go was stupid....
For once I agree with Fungwu I don't think we should start breaking the bank and making moves just it, we have to wait till we have a relative chance to contend. This is my quote from another thread. What I want is to stand pat, let Yao, Steve and Cat develope and wait for the window of oppertunity to open, and then go out and sign FA or make trades etc, try to win it all for a few years, even when losing money, not right since we probably can't sustain major loss for more than 3 years.
Premise: Making a move improves your team. In my experience, this is not at all true. People assume that there are GMs out there just dying to improve other teams. Fact is about 1/3 of trades helps your team, 1/3 hurts your team, and 1/3 has little impact. But in hindsight you always remember the moves we didn't make that would have worked out while forgetting the times you were screaming to trade for Glen Robinson or Charles Oakley. Remember this: a lot of the cap space taken up by bad contracts on this any any other team is made up of players acquired in bad trades. A bad trade can hurt a team's long term chances as much as a good trade can help it. Of course no one is out there screaming for a bad trade...they're all good when you want them. But they don't turn out that way, do they? For every trade a team wishes it made is a trade it's glad it dodn't make...for every player brought in who was the right fit, there is a player you moved out who blossomed. WHat could the Rockets have done the past couple of years if they hadn't felt the particular need to make a move that resulted in Glen Rice coming aboard? If we were in a position to win it all this year, then tinkering moves or filling in the gaps would be essential. We're not, and it's not, plain and simple. I say leave a few gaps and let the Bokis and J-Hawks of the world get a chance to show what they can do. If a great move presents itself, sure, go for it. If a team suddenly feels an undying need to get Cuttino Mobley, and will give us more than market value, cool. Some moves you have to make because a player doesn't fit a system,a coach, etc. and the longer you keep him on the team the more trade value you lose...but we just got a new coach, and if he doesn't yet feel that there is a square peg in a round hole in Houston, why should we? I don't mean that in an HP kind of " They are the proffessionals therefore it follows that they know better then you." kind of mantra, but in the " We haven't seen them under JVG, so what do we have upon which to base our superior conclusions? There are some players on this team I wish we could move...there are some players I don't think are gonna fit...but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pick up another Glen Rice just because Shandon Anderson isn't working out...
MacBeth, OK...you just paraphrased my views as a category without me even partaking in the thread. Now, be a sport, and let me have my turn to reciprocate before you choose to do it again. Oh, and you will be waiting all season for that to happen.
Lol! It wasn't meant as anything more than a mild shot, HP. Do you disagree with the observation that you tend to advocate faith in management, at least insofar as it pertains to fan generated recommendations for and criticism of the team?
Losing Rudy and getting JVG is placing the Rockets in that wait-and-see-what-happens zone. With better coaching and better performance coming from our guys it will be unwise to trade them right now, when their trade value is based on previous underachieving years.
I don't care what you guys say......be in denial all you want...... But I personally saw you guys on many posts say we need to solidify our three... almost every person who has replied to this thread I have seen say we need a small forward...and that since posey is gone that Rice and Nachbar won't cut it.....A griffin is a great player off the bench...not a starter I'm just sayin no matter what you guys say I don't want to see Rice startin next year..we need a upgrade period......if thats so wrong.......shoot me I can even deal with keepin Griff at the 4, because you don't know what JVG will get out of him...but Rice............ Call Cliff old and this and that.......but Rice is even worse than that You can't tell me he wouldn't be a upgrade over Rice, and he makes less money than him
