egn - Go look at the Bulls vs Rockets head-to-head record on the years where MJ wasn't shagging fly balls in AA. We wouldn't have had a problem beating the Bulls in 7.
I would classify four straight "lottery bound" seasons as something that would qualify the Rockets (under Rudy T) as a "perennial losing" team. Reguardless of winning %, what does it matter if you don't make the playoffs? Rudy's success was directly due to the amount of talent he acquired when he became coach. It is proven that once RT was given GM type decisions the choices he made are suspect and borderline terrible!! cheers egn
you blew your cover with this set of comments. You're not a Rocket fan. You're some other team's fan. This guy is just a troll, and he's trolling in every post.
I am not a Rockets fan???? Being a "Rockets fan" doesn't mean that everyone has to think that everything the franchise does is great. Whether it's a coach and his staff, players, GM's, or roster moves; there is not one certain way of thinking or one certain way that fans react. I consider myself a diehard Rockets fan that is sick and tired of the garbage this team has been feeding the Houston area. I don't need little punks like yourself trying to question me as a fan. And unlike most of you who are either too stupid or too blind to see whats good and what's bad for the team, I am one of few here that have the balls to say that Rudy was was holding this team back. If I am so wrong about Rudy then: 1.) Why have the Rockets sucked the past four years? 2.) Why after the players that were already established before Rudy T had gone, has this organization done nothing? 3.) Why have Rudy's draft picks been either terrible or have never been parlayed into anything worth a damn. 2003 -- None (no pick from Francis deal in one of the better drafts) 2002 -- Yao Ming, Shanghai Sharks (China) (exception from GOD) -- Bostjan Nachbar, Slovenia (smells like a bust) 2001 -- Richard Jefferson, Arizona (all traded for EG) Jason Collins, Stanford Brandon Armstrong, Pepperdine 2000 -- Joel Przybilla, Minnesota (sucks) 1999 -- Kenny Thomas, New Mexico (traded for Posey, whose now gone) 1998 -- Michael Dickerson, Arizona (traded for the wrong player to build a team around. and proved it by doing nothing in four years) Bryce Drew, Valparaiso (sucks) Mirsad Turkcan, Turkey (sucks) 1997 -- Rodrick Rhodes, Southern California (sucks) 1996 -- None 1995 -- None 1994 -- None 1993 -- Sam Cassell, Florida State (traded for an aging F that amounted to nothing in return)
Are you sure? 1995-1996 (Jordans first full season back from retirement) Season series (0-2) 01/03 - 86-100 (L) 01/30 - 87-98 (L) 1996-1997 Season series (1-1) 01/11 - 86-110 (L) 01/19 - 102-86 (W) 1997-1998 Season series (0-2) 01/18 - 100-106 (L) 04/05 - 94-109 (L) A 1-5 record. You might want to re-think that.
Pre-baseball - I thought that was implied. You know when the Rockets were in their prime and so were the Bulls. Or have you already seen those figures? 90/91 - 2/0 91/92 - 1/1 92/93 - 2/0 Total - Rockets 5 Bulls 1 Best of 7 would not be a problem against you're almighty Bulls. The Rockets owned the bulls when the Bulls were in their prime.
I have never heard any Rockets fan say that MJ was right, there should be an asterisk beside the Rockets championships. Not one person. I've heard fans disparage Rudy, Les, Dream, Chuckster, Yao, Steve, Cat, you name it. But I've never heard any fan say that they thought an asterisk went there. so if you are the one, then I guess you're the one my bad
2002- Great. 2001- Eddie Griffin does not suck. 2000- Joel Przybilla- agreed. 1999- Kenny Thomas. If you're going to start analyzing draft picks based on what happens with them 2-3 years down the road, well, then, if you want to be completely fair, you'd better be able to do it with every team. Pretty much a ridiculous argument, anyway. Great pick. 1998- Michael Dickerson. Great pick. Not only for his contributions to the Rockets, but because he played a major part in getting us Steve Francis. And if you're going to argue that Steve is just an average or mediocre player, then you're going to have to argue that so is Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Shawn Marion, Jermaine O'Neal, Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Rasheed Wallace, etc., etc., etc. Bryce Drew- Agreed Turksan- Agreed 1994- Sam Cassell. Great. 1993- Robert Horry (how convenient for you to leave him off, BTW). Great. You have a right to your warped opinion, but may I make a suggestion? Perhaps you should try to look at things a little differently. You know, it's very easy to be a cynic and twist the facts around to suit your own view of reality, but the fact is that many around the league praised Rudy T's knack for finding and developing talent (Chucky Brown, Mario Elie, Sam, Robert, etc., etc.). Oh, but the majority of the coaches and GMs around the league in 94 and 95 didn't know what they were talking about. Oh, and of course you know something they don't. Hey, America's great, you can say whatever you want. I just think it's sad how easy it is to distort reality. You tend to forget that Rudy T. was an assistant coach when we gained the likes of Thorpe, Maxwell, Smith, even Olajuwon. Ask Don Chaney- I distinctly remember him saying that Rudy T was a key part of these trades based on the in-depth scouting and research he conducted. So, Mr. T actually did play an important part in assembling that talent. Please, don't allow your personal grudge against Mr. Tomjanovich to alter reality. Winning record, 2 championships, etc. And if you're going to start putting asterisks on rings, let's do the same to the following: 1989- Magic and Byron Scott out with injuries- only reason why Detroit won that year. 1998- Phantom fouls called against Utah. 1999- Obvious. Strike year. 2000- Phantom calls against Portland in the WCF. 2002- Kings get gypped by the officials. 2003- Webber gets injured, Dirk gets injured. Blah, blah, blah. Really, you might as well just put an asterisk next to every championship ever won in the NBA. Heck, why not just put an asterisk next to every MVP, Rookie of the Year, and Coach of the Year while we're at it? By your line of thinking, if we dig deep enough, we can find reasons to discredit any award or championship. Bottom line is we should just put an asterisk next to the entire National Basketball Association, because the whole league is just a sham. *NBA should be on every product. Or, we can just put an asterisk next to your posts. *egn. Yes, much better.
Actually, if you're going to start putting asteriks next to championship teams, myswell put one next to every after the Celtics won their 10 of 11, because, we all know, if that team was in its prime, it'd still be winning
Actually head-to-head is a good arguement. He just picked the years that suited him best. I suspect this "man" likes sheep.
Geeze I really never expected this thread to grow the way it did. I just made it out to say that I met his lovely wife. she's a wonderful lady with two huge dogs. Her husband is cool and a nice guy. He has had other teams offer him jobs which should not be a surprise to anyone. I just said that I hope he doesn't turn to be a rocket killer just like some of the other players we have traded in the past. He's a great coach and he has two rings under his belt to prove it. I still believe that the Rockets jumped the gun too fast when we hired Van Gundy and did not give Rudy a chance. For Posey, I think we would still have had him on our team if Rudy was still Coach. Rudy may have not exactly drafted great players but he did put them in a package deal to get us some really good players. Yeah we got michael dick and the colliers and langhi's and whatever but with a few trades here in there we got ourselves Steve and Yao, who play two positions that are extremely hard to fill. Yes we haven't been great the last four seasons. I too have gotten somewhat impatient of not seeing our boys making the playoffs but in the deep deep west and the fact that we're working on new offenses and new players, a coach who most likely had his condition on his mind more than his coaching for a season, we did pretty OK. U can put as many astericks around our rings but the fact is when u look at the record books in 40 yrs and see who won in 94 and 95 it'll say the Rockets. While teams like the Jazz, the Suns, Dallas, Sacramento, and all the other "cool and spiffy" teams are wishing for one, we've been there and done that. Not only that, We'll be back in Contention soon enough. I will admit that I'm not all happy with decisions that the Rockets organization have made in some areas. I hated getting Barkley. I hate the fact we jumped the gun on Rudy without giving him a REAL chance with Yao. But whatever the circumstances I'm still a Rockets fan. I still love this team. I'll still root for them even if we did some weird trades like Yao and Steve for Cynthia cooper and Carmen Electra.
Good posts Dandorotik, but please no "next".... lets let this thread die. Nice posting for a newbie though.
damn right friendly fan!!! at least the rockos championship seasons consisted of 82 games. and i bet egn was a loud and proud fan from 1993-1996. if there is one thing that i cant stand is a FAIR WEATHER FAN!!!! sad
