just read somewhere that if everything goes ok then in 2005 gs will have 20 mill in cap space, same year as tmacs free agency, why would he tho....
Hmmmm, I wonder if they'd be interested in Moochie(4)/A. Griffin(2) for J.Richardson(3)/Pietrus(5)? They shave off 2 years in contracts.
ain't that the truth You're NVE and you've played the best playoff ball of your life, you've been the least obnoxious ever, and you wake up on a team that is cutting its budget. You're Jamison, stuck on a team that can't afford you, and suddenly you find yourself on a team that will certainly be among the top 4 in the league. this guy has got to be living right
Here's what is being said up here in Dallas about this trade. From the Gerry Frayley article in today's Morning News. As you can see, there is reasonable doubt that this will be enough to help the Mavs keep pace with the other contending teams in the West: Here's the link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon.../gfraley/stories/081703dnspofraley.ad39a.html Trade for Jamison puts Mavs on the offensive 03:58 AM CDT on Sunday, August 17, 2003 One thing is certain about the Mavericks' pending trade with Golden State. They will add a player who can stop Portland. Forward Chris Mills last season tangled on the court with Portland's Bonzi Wells. A furious Mills tried to get into the Portland locker room after the game to challenge Wells again and used his car to block the Blazers' bus from leaving the arena. Talk about cutting off the drive. Mills' willingness to take the charge from a Greyhound was the only act of defense associated last season with the four players headed to the Mavericks. This trade will not change the Mavericks' penchant for all offense all the time. The Mavericks will pick up a scorer (Antawn Jamison), two spins of the wheel of fortune (Danny Fortson and Jiri Welsch) and the little-used Mills. Jamison, a forward, is the key for the Mavericks. Keep this in mind about Jamison. He has averaged 20.2 points during a five-year career but has never played on a winning team or reached the playoffs. The Mavericks did well to make a significant addition without touching the core of their club: Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley and Steve Nash. The deal eliminates the possibility of a wasted off-season, which would have been a psychological sucker-punch when compared to what other Western Conference powers have done this summer. The trade ranks below blockbuster level but well above adding Vladimir Stepania. It is good business for the Mavericks. The evaluation from top to bottom: Does this deal make the Mavericks a better team? Yes. Jamison gives them another offensive weapon but with a different look. Jamison can score with his back to the basket, a trait he learned when forced to play in the low post at North Carolina. His game features a variety of inventive shots, much like what Van Exel uses. The differences are Jamison is eight-inches taller but does not handle the ball nearly as well. The deal also reinforces that, for whatever eccentricities he has, owner Mark Cuban wants to win. This deal will push the Mavericks perilously close to paying the luxury tax. Did the Mavericks address their prime concern of adding frontcourt defense? No. Jamison has played his entire career at Golden State. No one with Golden State plays defense. The Warriors last season led the NBA in points allowed and tied for the eighth-worst opponents' shooting average allowed. They were a much worse defensive team than the Mavericks. If Jamison stops anyone, it will be a first. If this is it for the Mavericks, how did they do in the summer after reaching the conference finals? Not great, but not bad if for no other reason than none of their players is facing felony charges. The Los Angeles Lakers' powerhouse might not get off the ground because of Kobe Bryant's legal problems. Jamison will help the Mavericks more than free-agent big men Alonzo Mourning or Karl Malone could have. Jamison is younger and healthier. Jamison will not be as helpful as center Brad Miller would have been. Miller went to conference-rival Sacramento. Can Fortson be salvaged? Doubtful. Fortson fell into coach Eric Mussleman's doghouse for being out of shape last season and never tried to get out. Fortson had 45 DNP-coach's decisions. If Fortson does not snap out of it, the Mavericks are stuck with a big contract for four years. Why Welsch? Because the Mavericks have a deep affection for Euros who can shoot. Welsch is a guard from the Czech Republic. He was selected with the 16th pick overall in the 2002 draft, but the Warriors rarely used him. How will Jamison fit in with his new club? Jamison is fortunate to be joining a team full of unselfish players. In a tribute to Finley's leadership skills, the Mavericks do not bicker about who gets the shots and freeze each other out in the pursuit of points. Jamison will be allowed to play his game, just as Van Exel was. What about Mills? He's in the last year of a contract and is not expected to play much. But if there is action in a parking lot, the Mavericks have their man.
The message of this trade from the Warriors' point of view is that they're betting the farm on Dunleavy. They think he's going to be a better player than Jamison, and are so sure of it that they decided to get Antawn out of his way. I have to say, though, that before reading this thread I had no idea that Jamison was such a dominant, franchise-level talent. It's certainly not what I recall reading about him before the trade.
Swopa, You get Bob McAdoo out of Larry Bird's way by trading him for draft picks. You don't trade Bob McAdoo for a older, smaller Bob McAdoo. bad trade
Feel free to point me to the team that was offering draft picks for Jamison and Fortson's combined $17M salary. It's OK, you can take your time.
I think the Warriors have to be in 1st place in the most hopeless franchise tag. Den, Cleve, Memp, even Lac, are in much better positions. The Warriors keep on staying just good enough to not get a top 2 franchise caliber lottery pick, waiste it on a guy like Dunleavy when they get as high as 3rd with prime pickings among Butler, Amare, Gooden, and Nene available, and just seem incapable of landing a potential franchise player. What an inept organization. Damn about this trade, I sure would have like Rice for Jamison--but then Les would have to commit to spend on money after the gifts he has been handed the last 4-5 years.
I couldn't quite believe this trade when I first saw it Friday night on Sportscenter. Must be nice to have an owner who'll pay out the you-know-what to field an exciting team. Still, Dallas keeps reaching for firepower rather than brawn. Fortson can board but plays no D. Still no D in Big D. WHich means they gave up on Brian Grant and he's still there for the taking (come on, Les). (Sorry; couldn't resist.)
well said. GSW chose dollars over talent, not unlike a certain baseball team owner who always comes up short bad trade if you want to win and you're a GSW fan. bad trade if you're NVE.
no need to combine Fortson in that. I'm saying that if you want to believe that Dunleavy needs Jamison out of his way, then Jamison for a 32yr old, 6'1 Bob McAdoo is a bad trade no matter how much you want to say that there was nothing else out there.
Golden state just hurt its chances even more of getting good talent to come there. None of the real big name stars will go there no matter how much money they throw at them and even if they do they would only be going there for the money. Just look at the mess utah is in now. G.S. should have kept A.J. at least until they got a free agent next year but who knows if they could get rid of him by then.
That trade doesn't happen unless Fortson is included. Didn't McAdoo help the Lakers win a title in his later years? Nick Van Exel is a damn good player, and if you don't believe me, ask the Sacramento Kings. If he buys the Warriors a couple years to add pieces around Dunleavy, I'm okay with that. He's got flaws, but then so did Jamison.
I don't really think this trade helps either team all that much. Warriors get a little better because I think Van Exel is more talented than Jamison, overall, but not a whole lot. And he won't be around long enough to make much of a dent. Jamison is not the player the Mavs need. All they did was add another player that needs the ball in his hands to score. I think it may bog down their offense. And if the Warriors truly believe that Dunleavy is going to turn out better than Jamison, then they really are nuts. Will never happen.
Dunleavy was the 3rd option on his college team, what makes anyone think he is a player to build your team around. If he is a solid NBA roll player we will have met expectations. Jamison or JR or Arenas had a much better chance to be the kind of star to build the team around than MD2--and now only 1 is left. Looking forward to the future, the Warriors have Murphy who will probably be a solid role player PF, Dunleavy who could be a solid role player at the 3, and JR who is the one with more than role player talent but hasn't seemed to progress as fast as thought he would. Couple that with NVE--the kind of gun just good enough to win a a few games by himself for a couple years and keep you from the #1 or #2 draft pick--that is a pretty bad long term formula. Perentially WC losers like the Clips, Memph and especially Denver are in much better positions.
Nash 6-3 Fin 6-7 Jamison 6-9 Dirk 7-0 Raef 6-11 I know they are thin/skinny, but that is a pretty tall starting five, even for the west. I also think Fortson is going to suprise some people this year, if he can stay healthy. He is the type of guy that could become a specialist under Nellie. If he focuses of rebounding, he could really help the Mavs. Welch could be a steal. I have always thought it dangerous to trade young talented guys. (This is why Griff is still a Rocket.)
I agree that Fortson will suprise a lot of people this year. Reaf really hurt his stock with the Mavs last year with his very uninspired play. If his outside shot is not falling and Fortson returns to his previous rebounding maniac form then I would not be surprised to see Reaf burried at the end of the bench and Fortson starting at the 5. Jamison IMO might be the perfect compliment for Dirk. Dirk is much better playing close to the basket on defense where his perimeter defense (or lack of) is not exposed while on offense he is a huge mismatch at the 3 spot. Jamison on the other hand can play close to the basket on offense (in the 4 spot) and has the quickness to guard out on the perimeter on defense. And to get a prospect like Jeri Welsch could be huge in a couple of years if not sooner. Mills gives the Mavs a big man with an attitude. Great trade for Dallas IMO.
