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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaneB, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. SamFisher

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    bad things/good people

    And dont' give me "part of the plan" business. That is not an acceptable answer - and no the answer will not be accepted on faith.
     
  2. basso

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    Love when you can
    Cry when you have to...
    Be who you must
    That's a part of the plan
    Await your arrival
    With simple survival
    And one day we'll all understand...
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    Yes, how can you begin to define the soul without logos?
     
  4. what

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    I think that there's a misunderstanding here. The law of Moses is not at all the ultimate final authority, which you seem to think it is. Like, if a Christian believes in the Bible, he must necessarily follow every tenet set forth. There is something called dispensations. The Age of Innocence, for example, which is the Garden of Eden. The fall, is another, which is basically when man gains his conscience. The law,as you are referring to it, was meant to show man's imperfect nature and bring him closer to God. So, when you are reading the bible, you have to be aware of what "age" you are in. This is why Christians often respect the New Testament over the Old Testament, because God's grace over sin is the last dispensation. We are not under the law anymore.


    It is interesting to note, as well, that God gave Moses the authority to compromise heavenly principles. Witness Mathew 19:7-12:

    They say unto him, Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to put her away? 19:8He saith unto them, Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so. 19:9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery. 19:10The disciples say unto him, If the case of the man is so with his wife, it is not expedient to marry. 19:11But he said unto them, Not all men can receive this saying, but they to whom it is given. 19:12

    I hope this helps.
     
  5. RocketRaccoon

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    If you're serious and nobody can answer this question for you, and if you're a bit open minded, check out Edgar Cayce's book on Atlantis.

    I'm not claiming this is the truth, but I do enjoy all the different ways of looking at and understanding an "opinion".

    Anyway, it helped me to understand your quote better.
     
  6. giddyup

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    How does one take the Bible literally given all the various translations and such?
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Did God create man, or did man create God?

    How old is the earth, according to the Bible?

    What happens to non Christians when they die?

    DD
     
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  8. Yaozer

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    Are you even gonna answer these questions or just take our questions to your bible study and forget about us lost souls?
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "I serve God" and that got me thinking about how do you "serve God?" Is serving God, in a Christian sense, following Biblical law, proselytizing, leading a good/moral life?

    It seems even among Christians there is vast disagreement about who is serving God.
     
  10. mc mark

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    If there's only one god, how come there's not only one religion?
     
  11. rhester

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    This thread alone has about 15 good thread ideas.
     
  12. NewYorker

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    My question would be - if only god is all-knowing, than how can anyone claim to know god?
     
  13. cson

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    Easy, there's more to life than god.
     
  14. AntiSonic

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    To expand on that, assuming man isn't alone in the universe, did Jesus die for other worldly beings, or does each species get its own Christ figure? Were there any that got to stay in Eden?
     
  15. Apollo Creed

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    So you're telling me that if an Atheist jumps on top of a grenade, saving the lives of 100 children, knowing he was going to die...he's going to hell?

    WEAK
     
  16. NewYorker

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    What I think people don't understand about religion is they take it too literally. That's the problem. Religion is metaphorical. Jesus never rose from the dead, the red sea was never parted. These are really methaphors.

    Heaven is a metaphor, so is Hell. The reference the self-torture we put ourselves through, the demons are internal, as is the savior. We can be reborn by shedding that which has held us back.

    The word god is kinda meaningless. There really isn't a difference between being a Christian and an Atheist. All roads can lead to rome sort of thing. Every religion really is the same. Just don't take it too literally.
     
  17. JeopardE

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    If I made a computer and I interact with it, how am I not a part of that computer? If I am, then how is the computer less than human?

    (Just trying to put the logic of the question in perspective, is all.)
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    I'm guessing it's because to them, God is love. But then it raises my questions about an all loving God and an eternal Hell.

    So you say. Then I'd say that you don't understand why people take in their faiths as much as they do.
     
  19. NewYorker

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    My whole life is dedicated to the understanding of how people tick. It's not easy that's for sure.

    I think we all have faith in something - we're evolved to believe in god and invent some sort of framework to explain the reality around us.

    But for those that draw upon the myths written down in religious tombs...the question of why they decide to take these stories as true is equivalent to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    Let's say you had faith that Jesus was the Son of God. Then how much harder would it to believe in His resurrection?

    I think the hard part in the common Santa Claus argument is that we were told by our parents that Santa was real. Whereas in some cases, people of age independently decided to believe in a God. Another crucial gap in understanding is the impact religion has upon a person's life and choices. It's not just a preference of favorite ice cream flavor.

    Granted, there are a lot of people who were taught their parents religion when they were young, and maybe they didn't take the time to really think about the impact of religion in their lives. Your concerns might accurate in that situation. In fact, I would agree that more questioning and soul searching is better.

    However, I think it's too general and vague to get to the core of understanding religious people.
     

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