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Yao's fouls problematic

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Champ06, Oct 22, 2007.

  1. Champ06

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    Yao's fouls problematic

    Rockets center Yao Ming committed five fouls in 23 minutes Saturday, giving Rick Adelman a taste of some of the officiating issues Jeff Van Gundy often cited.

    "I thought he got two or three that were really cheap fouls," Adelman said. "He just has to play through it. It seems like if he touches anybody coming in there, he gets a foul called. I thought two or three times they forced the issue and created the contact and I didn't think they were fouls."

    But there was another occasion that Adelman said Yao did reach to foul Seattle guard Delonte West unnecessarily.

    "He's going to have to learn to use his size," Adelman said. "One time, he had the guy in trouble, and he reached over and down. That's an easy call. He needs to make him shoot over him."

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5233363.html
     
  2. aussie rocket

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    It's like deja vu all over again. :p

    Big Yao is gonna have plenty of games where he gets in foul trouble, something we have to live with im sorry to say.

    much like Shaq, its gonna happen and especially on the road, just because he attracts so much attention from the refs....shame it doesnt cut the other way aswell!!
     
  3. Yao4REAL

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    Don't worry about it because there are 2 fouls that aren't his fault. The refs sux at that game. They should not have called those fouls.
     
  4. abcdef

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    Yao has done better in controlling his foul problems since his foul-plauged 2004-2005. His fouls/40 minutes have gone down from 4.9 in 2004-2005 to 4.0 and 3.9 last year, which is reasonable.

    Hopefully he can keep that up, which would allow him to protect the basket but also stay on the floor.
     
  5. ParaSolid

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    There's going to be an adjustment period for Yao now that he's ordered by Adelman to stay in the lane. He's a smart guy, I'm sure he'll learn how to stay out of foul trouble soon enough.
     
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    Well as he told Wang Meng, Yao Ming thought 3 of those calls were bad calls.

    He said on 3 of those calls, he thought he was in his proper defensive positions and his feet were stationary. It was just his opponents banging their bodies onto him, and the referees called foul on him.

    He said he did not even bother to argue or challenge the referees, as it was only the preseason. IF NOT, if it is now the regular season, he will surely jump, run up to and argue with the referees about the legitimacy of those calls at even the cost of a technical. :D

    http://nba.sports.tom.com/2007-10-22/0424/84441576.html
     
  7. pli777

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    If you haven't noticed, there is why we/they are concerned.
     
  8. Barkley

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    We should be worry cause even if there ain't any foul the refs still call it.
     
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    I think Yao should worry the most when he's guarding the smaller, quicker centers. I don't know what Adelman is gonna do, Deke would be too slow as a back up and so is Butler. Can't put Scola at the 5 either because he's worse than Hayes at catching fouls.
     
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    It's been a really big problem, agree. Players like Boozer, Duncen, etc. But hell Scola also picks up a lot of stupid fouls.
     
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    Hard to tell in that game if it's a case of more to come. Teams getting blown away usually get the benefit of the doubt from refs.
     
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    I have never played basketball, but I am a big fan and have been since the earliy 80s. Can someone explain to me why they call a foul on Yao when the offensive players drive to the hoop and jump into him. I see Yao jump straight up and the offensive players are jumping into him - why is this a foul???
     
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    That is why it is not a foul in, refs got get their freaken eyes fixed.
     
  14. Rover16

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    Refs hate yao. Always have since his rookie year.
     
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    The whole jump-straight-up thing isn't working. He's putting his body between the offensive player (who has all the momentum) and the rim and jumping straight up. There's tons of contact, and the refs pretty much always call it.

    I think Yao needs to try more of a technique that Deke uses, which is to meet the player at the rim. Don't go to the player, make the player come to you. You know he wants to dunk it, so just go up and block him at the rim. Sure, there could still be a foul called, but that's the plight of all shotblockers.

    You never see guys like Duncan, Wallace, Camby, Deke move outside the paint to cut off the driver, only to jump straight up with both arms extended. If they do, they jump backwards to avoid the contact.

    The main play I'm talking about is the Jeff Green drive. Did Yao really think he wouldn't get a foul with a guy driving that hard? I know that Yao is technically in the right with the way the rule is written, but we have to go by how the refs have been calling the game for years.
     
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    I watch Tao's fouls against Sonics carefully again. And damn. He had a really clean block. The refs really sucked. Yao should have much more blocks but most of the times refs call a foul.
     
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    one foul was really dumb on yao's part and he knew it too when he fouled west.

    two others were not fouls on him but were called i think bullard was commenting that it was a rookie official who called them fouls.

    either way its preseason i think yao is starting to get a lot more respect on fouls (compared to when he first came into the league) but for the most part all big guys will always get the short end of the stick.
     
  18. zong

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    Ref can call this a foul by so called "an initial contact by a offensive player", which means a offensive player has a right to occupy this position first, a deffensive player has to stay away (assuming that offensive player already starts to drive), or not moving at all. It is a very difficult to call it, normally, it can go either ways.

     
  19. zong

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    A big guy should never try to take a charge, just try to block a shot without a body contact.

     
  20. drankcity

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    its funny that the nba has not yet solved the problem with the refs.....r they still trying to fix games lol......?
     

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