Exactly. In the time that it takes a defender to take a wide angle like that, a quick entry pass can indeed be made before the defender gets back around to the front. Its funny how so many of the Yao apologists refuse to believe that there aren't techniques to be used when posting up or that these techniques don't work. I guess Pete Newell's big man camp and his books are just a bunch of BS. PS - Not sure why ragingTROLL even responds to me anymore seeing as how he knows he is on my ignore list.
Since you chose to reply ... You put me on your ignore list 'cause you keep losing the argument .... does not really matter ... When you throw out something stupid and pretend to be an expert, I will point that out. I had several posts on this subject of feeding the post ... One of which said u argued in circle ... this post of yours is another example ... This statement (A) is correct and it is also my argument. It takes timing and several people to excute correctly. You use the above statement to jump to the below conclusion (B)which put the responsibility solely on the post man. (A) is right but it does not prove (B) is right. Sealing off the defender is not something the post man do majically by himself and solve everything. No matter how and what you do, whether you seal the man behind you or seal him low or seal him high. You have about 2 seconds. After this, if you are in the lane, you are called for 3 seconds. Even if u r not, in 2 seconds, do u think the defender will stand still and let you keep that position? He will work around you and take away your position and the passing angle. The post man, the passer and the weak side have to work together to get that pass off in the 2 seconds.
That was an era when teams are not allowed to play zone defense. Now it is different. Even Shaq is not as dominant as he is used to be. Tim Duncan disappears from the game sometime as well. It tells you that coaches have to be more creative nowadays.
I guess you guys don't remember the year players started denying Hakeem the ball by fronting him. yeah thats right, the year Francis and Mobley had supplanted themselves in the Houston backcourt. Its a fact; look at the tapes. coincidence? I think not.
It takes about 1.5 seconds for the defender to get around to front the post player when the defender is not too close to his man. I did say earlier that Yao has good position for about 2 seconds before he got fronted. And I also did say that a good pass will get him the ball within those 2 seconds. I'm glad you also agree that a quick pass can be made to the post player. I pointed out earlier that the problem is with the passers' inability to make that pass within the time-frame that the post player is open! I do agree that the techniques help a little in preventing the fronting in certain situations. I also see how a quicker defender can counter-act your given techniques by keeping a distance between himself and the post player and get in front before the ball-handler even gets to a position where he can make a pass. The defenders were successful in fronting Yao in the Memphis game for the following reasons: 1) We took too long to bring the ball up(may have been caused by the pressing defence) 2) We often didn't immediately/directly, after bringing the ball up, set up to get the ball to the post. Instead they dribble around a bit and then tried to dump it in. Because our ball-handlers were slow running up the court and slow in getting the ball to the side where it can be dumped to the post player, it gave the defenders time to get in front. Often, Swift and Wright were already trying to front Yao even before the ball got to Yao's side. Thus, we couldn't get the ball to him early enough before the "2" seconds that he has position. I'll give credit to them for the good defence. Here's how I envision a perfect lob pass when the defender is fronting. 1) The pass should be arch at an angle high enough that the defender can't get to it and that it doesn't land too far from the post player. It should be thrown towards the direction of the basket. 2) The ball on the way down should hit the floor at a distance from the post player less than or equal to that of the ball to the help defender. So if the ball lands 6 feet from the post player, it should be at least 6 feet from any help defender. 3) The pass should be high enough, that the post defender can take one step(3-4 feet) and jump or just reach up to catch it. So there it is! That's what should be done, but I have no confidence in our guys that handle the ball most often to make that perfect pass. It's up to JVG to teach them or put someone who can make that pass in the game. That is only if the defender is reaching from behind to deny the pass. The defender can always back-off a bit and get around the post player like I said above. Maybe I shouldn't make the Shaq comparison because it doesn't apply to Yao much. Your comparsion with Hakeem also doesn't apply because Yao is much slower. I am sure Hakeem scored a lot on lob passes at a high percentage. Yao is slow and we can't get him to move and react any faster than what he is capable of, hence why I think your techniques won't work for Yao. I was arguing that 1) a post player can't stop defenders from fronting most of the time. 2) being fronted is an advantage because I see a perfect lob pass can put the post player in a better situation, closer to the basket, to score, get fouled, or pass for an assist. I tried pretty hard to use words like "post player," "defender," "ball-handler," and "passer" to make my arguments. Though I did mention Yao's name to illustrate my point. Other than Yao, I didn't mention any other positions or names. So, the purpose of my argument is not to blame the guards, but to argue the two points above. Though I do think our guards are incompetant passers. We'll see how the team responds to fronting in tonight's game.
Ugh, no edit. In 3), I meant to say that the post player should be able to take a step closer to the basket to catch the ball.
He's definitely lurking because he emailed me the other day. His obsession with Kenny Thomas continues.........
Well, he's tired mentally rather than physically. Yao is too hesitant to be THE MAN like Neo in Matrix (he is too polite and ...), he need FREE HIS MIND!!!! Then he will be THE ONE in NBA like in CBA
I agree with Aspirin's post on the first page. There's nothing wrong with guards shooting when Yao's double teamed. That's taking advantage of the situation. One man should always have an open shot when someone else is double teamed. Why pass it into traffic. But for krist sakes.. MAKE THE DARN shot! If we our guards were bobby jackson (a backup) or Paja... we'd kill the Grizzilies. It boggies me how a whole NBA team can only shoot 30 percent 12+ feet OPEN shoots. Someone can't be practicing.
To all of you if Yoa wasnt huffing and puffing from fatigue he would not be playing 25-28 min a game. Plain and simple Yao needs to run like P. Diddy so he can stay in the game. If he had more minutes last year he would of won R.O.Y.
Didn't Yao play all summer with the Chinese National Team when all the other NBA players were basking in the sun ?
Yeah, that's it...but my point was that Yao was competing during the summer and led China to qualification for the next olympic games... I haven't seen the games in which some people claim he is already tired but that could explain it...I don't think Yao had much rest in the offseason...
