Unless a player makes zero mistakes, then yes, that is what I am saying. Compounded mistakes by everyone on the team are what lose games, not just one players mistakes. Well first, your anology is off as Yao didnt play a "one mistake" game. Second, we can have a debate that will last for days with regards to proportionate blame. Yes, Ill digress, and I have stated already, I feel our inability to get the ball up the court in a timely manner was the main factor in that loss. But I refuse to dismiss the rest of the team's mistakes and being insignificant or that they should be overlooked because that player might have had a good game otherwise. And I agree. I dont blame Yao primarily for this loss. But I will not dismiss his mistakes as not being contributing factors to said loss.
My analogy was not to say that Yao did not have a "one mistake game". I am saying I do not accept using your logic of blaming everyone for every loss. No player who plays significant minutes will play perfect flawless games. If you want to say Yao should share the blame - fine. That's your opinion. I just find your reasoning of "anyone who makes a mistake shares the blame" to justify this blame too harsh and extreme. I think we are just arguing across roughly the same point with a different definition of 'blame'. Everyone made mistakes that should be rectified (Yao included), but I don't feel it is enough to warrant 'blame', whereas when you use the word 'blame' it is in a watered down sense when compared to how I use it (ie. I think the word blame is very harsh whereas you don't).... that's what I'm assuming anyway. I'm just hoping we win next game, even if just to lessen all the finger pointing and trade threads...
You keep on saying(in other posts as well) that Yao's fault was that he couldn't keep his man behind him, yet you can't say how he could do it. It makes your argument pointless. He doesn't have to take the shot. If he's being doubled, he can pass it to the open man that is most likely near the basket. He 7'6" and can pass off of double teams easily. It's a two way street because you base your argument on that Yao can definitely seal off his man from fronting. I based mine on that it's impossible to do. You did not state how he can do it, therefore your argument is invalid. I said they need to make quick decisions. There's a difference between making quick decisions and physically making the pass quickly. But what I really meant was that they need good timing on making the pass which requires a quick decision.
If the guards are so terrible at entry passes, there's no reason Jim Jackson (who's a guard, true, but I don't see him being criticized for his passing) or Mo Taylor couldn't make the entry pass to Ming. You see, this is a problem with having Cato and Yao on the floor together - one of your better passers (Mo) is on the bench.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF PPL ALWAYS WRITING THAT YAO MING CAN DO NO WRONG!!! YAO COULD NOT HOLD HIS POSITION LAST NIGHT BUT ALSO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN HE COULD HAVE EASILY SCORED BUT DIDNT HAVE THE BALL!! IT'S BOTH THE GUARDS AND YAO FAULT THAT WE LOST. STEVE DOES TRY TO PASS IT'S JUST HE TRIES TO GET TOO FANCY AND ENDS UP WITH A TURNOVER!! Yao's stats: 37 minutes 7/11 FG 0/1 3 3FG 1 Off Reb 9 Def Reb 10 Tot Reb 0 ast 2 fouls 0 stl 2 to 3 blk 19 pts Ok where was he dominate at?? ONLY ONE offensive rebound!ZERO NONE NADA assist!!!!
True, it was somewhat unusually for a guy last season who shot 81% (and 90% in the preseason) from the charity stripe to hit 5/9 freebies. But do you remember during the Denver game Stevie a 80% freethrow shooter from last season, shot 6/11 freebies? I don't blame much on the usual freethrow night. Yao was your most consistent guycool: ) in shooting the ball all the way from the preseason to now. If you look at the shooting from the Grizz game, Yao was the only one who shot the ball well from the field, and for the rest of the Rockets, Stevie (6/16), Cat (4/9), Jackson (2/10), Taylor (2/7), Nachbar (0/5), and oh yeah, Moochie (1/4). Keep_Rudy, tell me those where not direct link to the loss.
DAMN NO EDIT!! I meant to say just cuz he shoots the ball 11 times that he juss touched the ball 11 times!
There's no way the Rockets can make the playoff in the wild wild west, if the players can't shoot the ball consistently. I've seen so many times when the big fella gets surrounded by defenders, and as he releases the ball to the outside shooters who generally is free, they just miss the shots. You just don't score over 100 on one night and gets dropped down to 70 the next. Consistent shooting, man. And why the hell does Boki get to shoot? The guy is just one of the worst shooters as far as anyone can evidently see and experience. It's just a waste of shots and opportunities. Get the real shooter back, ie, Pike.
Only a handful said Yao played a perfect game. His fatigueness at the end, his positioning, etc. were areas that could be improved. But he was still our best player on the court by far if you watch the game or simply look at the stat. What made me upset is to blame the loss on Yao only in this and the other threads. It is this attitude that the Yao haters have encouraged our guards to play ISO and selfish basketball. It is this attitude that why we could not reach the playoff in the last five years. If we continue to blash our best player while ignoring the real problems of the team, we are definately lottery bound again. We need improvement RIGHT NOW to turn off that attitude that was repeated night in and night out last year and last night again.
Jackson (2/10), Taylor (2/7), Nachbar (0/5), and Moochie (1/4). If you are still looking for clue, save the scream.
On to the topic, in Yao's own words, He's more frustrated than tired (yes, he was a bit tired). He's frustrated about his shooting (FT?), offensive rebound...could there be frastration about passing (which he didn't mention) also? http://sports.sina.com.cn/s/2003-11-03/013388727s.shtml just read the quotes, throw out the other stuff. I don't think the reporter would make up the quotes.
Implicably, he was frustrated about the team competitiveness.(Teammates fighting for his own stat - interesting, not confined only to the guards. That might be a bigger problem than I thought.)
I don't understand how its harsh. Mistakes add up to cost teams game and to point out one player's mistakes as being insignificant based on his good production in other areas is being unfair to the rest of the team. Then lets call it responsibility. As in, responsibility for a loss. In that, every players mistakes contribute to loses and thus, those players (the team) are responsible for that loss. That is undeniable. Agreed.
And since you are not aware that there are techniques that cant be taught to help Yao hold position, then your arguement is not only pointless, it is very uneducated. Ill give you just a few examples off the top of my head: 1) A post player can use his off arm to block his man from coming around. 2) A post player can slide over with his man to prevent him from coming around. 3) A post player can turn/angle his body in such a way to give the entry passer a clear path for the pass. Again. Its all about technique. You make it much easier to sound that it is. Yao has had TO problems which result directly from the scenario you speak of. Its not easy to pass out from underneath the basket when a) You are closely being doubled b) There are other defenders between you and the perimeter players and c) You have a bad habit of brining the ball down instead of keeping it over your head (another thing that Yao needs to work on that has been well documented on this BBS). I just explained it. Its FAR from impossible and you are absolutely wrong. If it was impossible, as you say, then teams would front players like Yao and Shaq constantly since you imply that there is no way to stop it. So they need to decide quickly whether to pass or not, but, they should be patient and hold the ball until Yao is ready for the pass, even if it takes an abnormally long time?? That makes no sense. It even makes less sense because you said that its impossible for Yao to seal off his man. Well if thats so, what are the guards waiting on???? If he cant seal off his man, then there is no reason to wait on anything. You cant have it both ways.
Exactly my contention. Who is there on this team that can make opposing teams pay for fronting Yao? Cato is not a PF with a true offensive game. MoT does not consistently hit jumpers. Forget about the SFs. As for the guards? All are streaky shooters save for Moochie who just plain sucks. As the season goes on, look for more teams to try to zone around Yao in much the same way they try to do with Shaq.
