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Word on Dunleavy

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mobes05, Apr 2, 2002.

  1. kidrock8

    kidrock8 Member

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    Steve has never worked off the ball. If you think he's better off running around picks (something we never do BTW) then you are sadly mistaken.

    Moreover, tell me how well Pippen fit into our offense. Pippen is a rich man's Odom.

    Odom will shoot the ball and handle the ball more than Walt Williams has. I don't see how Francis will get more touches. Unless we play with 2 balls instead of 1.

    :rolleyes:

    Your backwards logic is making me wonder where you are coming up with your ideas.
     
  2. dave feitl

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    SREW ODOM, we need a utility man not another scorer.I can see drafting a small forward, because none of the centers are incredibly safe to draft, but THIS TEAM NEEDS A BIG MAN.Low post, back to the basket,rebounding THREAT!
    THE ROCKETS NEED A BIG MAN, not another playground basketball mate for our young guards.
     
  3. kidrock8

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    Also, you seem to fail to grasp the fact that the best team we can field is the team that has the best 5 who fit into our scheme. Not the best 5 players in the league.

    Odom is a better player than Dunleavy, I give you that. However, Odom would not succeed nor would the team succeed if Odom was on the Rockets. I think Dunleavy is a perfect fit for this team, and vice versa.

    Dunleavy won't be asked to do anything else but shoot 3s, which is fine. We don't need a guy who needs the ball in his hands to do anything.

    I would prefer to have Rashard Lewis, but it'd be easier for us to draft a Dunleavy than for us to sign and trade for Lewis.
     
  4. Stevierebel

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    I think Dunleavy would be a really good addition to the team. Francis might hold it against him that he went to Duke though. ;)
     
  5. Live

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    Once again,

    The Rockets have already inquired about Odom!

    Repeat....

    The Rockets have already inquired about Odom!

    Therefore, I infer that there are already some thoughts on how to incorporate him into the offense that makes the 'He doesn't fit the scheme...' argument rather moot.

    And because of the Pippen situation, maybe Rudy & Co. have a better idea on how to utilize a versatile F like Odom. Does that mean Odom dominating the ball while Steve and Cat run off picks (something I would love for them to do), I have absolutely no idea.

    But once again, since the Rockets have already inquired about Odom, they had\have some ideas on how to utilize him, up to and including the total overhaul of the 'system.' Only time will tell.


    Consider this hypothetical situation. McDyess forces Denver to trade him, and he ends up in Houston.

    And he wants to play C because its a need and he's a team player. He saw how Antonio Davis made an All-Star team playing C, and he sees the success Ben Wallace has had, so he thinks he can give it a try as well, especially if it means going to a team with potential.

    Think the Rockets augment the offense a bit to accomodate McDyess? I mean, this is one of the better low-post players in the league.

    Oh, but wait, he can't hit that 22 ft jump shot off the high pick & roll (Ok, he can, but play along anyway ;) ), the shot that is so critical for big men to hit in the Rocket offense, the shot that (supposedly) draws out opposing big men and opens up the middle for the Gs....

    So the Rockets shouldn't bring in McDyess, not even to play C....

    Because its not about having the best 5 possible on the floor, but how that 5 fits into the scheme....

    Right?
     
  6. verse

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    no way do we need mike dunleavy.

    1) i wouldn't draft ANY duke player this year. jason williams made everyone on that team better. not saying his teammates suck...just saying it's hard to evaluate them when j-will was droppin dimes for layups and open j's. plus, MD's defense is the epitomy of suckitude.

    2) if we get toronto's lotto pick, i'm all for trading both picks and, say, glen rice for antonio mcdyess.
     
  7. verse

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    oh, one more thing...

    lamar odom is not a "scorer". lamar odom is a playmaker that can also score. i would MUCH RATHER have the ball in his hands than steve's.
     
  8. DCkid

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    Odom's assist to turnover ratio is pretty much equal to Steve's. Last season when they were both healthy, Odom even averaged more turnovers per game than Steve with less assists. So, its not like he protects the ball well or is that reliable. In addition, he likes to make the fancy pass, which leads to turnovers. I don't see him being some steady consistent playmaker. Personally, I would rather have the ball in Steve's hands.
     
  9. verse

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    odom has better court vision.
    odom likes to run with the ball.
    odom doesn't skip up court with the ball.
    odom's to's come on tough passes, not dribbling the ball off his damn feet.
    odom looks to set his teammates up first.
     
  10. leebigez

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    Dunleavy is pretty much like Mike Miller, but if I'm going to draft a 3, present day shows the best 3 men are in europe. Peja,Dirk, and to some degree Hedo. They are versitile, stronger than college kids and now seems they are more atheletic than the college players. No matter what the argument is, Odom is still the best option for this team. Anyone who says he takes shots away from steve must didn't notice his 16pts per on 13 shot per along with the 6 asst. He could only add to his shot total and actually give us a good big player we need so badly.

    Speaking on the argument about having good player as opposed to having avg ones. Any coach thats worth a damn would want as many good players as he can get his hands on. Dunleavy of last yr with port i never thought of as a good coach. True he took the Lakers to the finals in 91, but this is the same coach who had a 20-10 all star pf and a 20ppg small forward and couldn't sniff the playoffs. In comes george karl and his first season they're in the playoffs,2nd season they're in the playoffs, and the 3rd they're in the conf finals. No matter what problems Portland has, give a good coach that talent and he can win. Talent wins ask any coach.
     
  11. DCkid

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    Yes, Odom does have better court vision.

    Okay, Odom likes to run with the ball. That's all good, but it doesn't really matter unless the Rockets have a big man to run with him.

    Odom may not skip, but he still loves to make the fancy play, which is I thought was one of the main complaints about Steve.

    Dribbling the ball off feet...making impossible pass...a turnover is a turnover.

    Yes Odom likes to set up his teammates first, and with good reason. He can't shoot.

    But you left off one:

    odom likes to get caught smoking weed
     
  12. leebigez

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    I guess since he shoots a low 3pt % he can't shoot. I guess his 2nd yr at 46% with 17pts 8rbs and 6asst means he can't score or shoot.
     
  13. DCkid

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    No, his low 3pt% has nothing to do with it, neither does the 17 points he averaged two seasons ago. He's just not that good of an outside shooter.

    I just don't see him being much of an upgrade over Steve at the point. He turns the ball over just like Steve does, but with less results. He's never averaged more assists or points than Steve.
     

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