Oh so now you are changing your tune and saying that the BBS *is* in fact left-leaning? About time. No conservative has even come close to spewing the same type of venom and the Ted Kennedy/Nancy Pelosi factions have been putting forth. Not even close. For you to say that their reaction has been exactly the same is just ludicrous. Umm... yes it does. By pointing out the flagrant examples, you can easily see that some liberals are politicizing this and trying to score points in the November election. This is my whole point in the first place. Thanks for confirming it. GOOD DAY
Thanks for confirming it. You're welcome. Clearly, you have no interest in an actual discussion of reality, so believe what you want, continue taking posts and trying your bizarro distortions of what people say, and keep making false conclusions. Enjoy the little bubble you live in.
Why did you divert attention away from the issues argument we were having? You must have felt like you were losing...
cool. i dig you. just took exception to the "allows us to be better" claim. i don't think democracy allow us to be "better". it takes a moral authority far beyond ourselves (i.e. democracy) to push us past amoral self-interest. the best that pure democracies can do morally is a collective self-interest, i.e. common sense. more likely it is going to be religion or a visionary leader that's going to teach people to be "better". i say this because nowhere in democracy does it teach us to be compassionate, conscientious, gentle, tolerant, and generous. in fact, it teaches us to be simply selfish. and frankly, i believe people can be, and ought to be, a whole lot "better". but you're right. fear is usually the catalyst for the destruction of common decency. it may sound like Yoda, but then that's kind of what we're seeing in iraq, isn't it?
Why did you divert attention away from the issues argument we were having? You must have felt like you were losing... No, you just demonstrated that you don't even know what you're arguing... On one hand, you're trying to say that the reaction to the prisoner scandal was caused by liberals politicizing things ("Another *part* of the reason for the reaction is politically motivated Bush-hate from all the usual political suspects."). Then you think you're just trying to show that liberals are politicizing the scandal ("you can easily see that some liberals are politicizing this and trying to score points in the November election. This is my whole point in the first place."). Of course it's going to be politicized - everything is in Washington. No one argued this. That in no way shows that the reaction was caused by the politicization - just that there was some. The reaction itself happened immediately - and the criticisms of the military action occurred very vehemently by both sides, and virtually all of America - except for you, of course. If you can't even keep your argument consistent across 3 or 4 posts, I'm not going to waste time discussing things with you.
At first you said it wasn't a significant component: Now you are saying that apparently it is a significant component because it's obvious that everything in Washington is politicized. Now you are saying that you didn't even argue it!!! Despite documented evidence of you arguing it above!! Unreal. Simply unreal.... And you think *I* can't keep a consistent argument? Look in the mirror, amigo. Your inconsistency was just highlighted and exposed for all to see.
OK, since complex arguments are too difficult for you, let's make it very simple. I'll even number the parts and put lines between them so we don't use complex sentences. 1. The reaction is not motivated by politics. That is why people from all parties reacted. 2. The nature of the reaction has been politicized. That is why different people expressed themselves differently. Is that too complex for you? Both sides are angry - both sides think we screwed up. One side will display that anger against the military. The other will display it against the military leadership (the Pentagon, Rumsfeld, and Bush). That does not mean the reaction was caused by "liberal-hatred" or whatever simple concept makes sense to you. It was caused because the actions were disgusting to most everyone on the planet (except for you). Liberals didn't react any more or any less than conservatives, and you pointing out a liberal reaction isn't going to change that.
When did Major claim that this board wasn't left leaning. I think everyone knows it's left leaning now.
When did Major claim that this board wasn't left leaning. I think everyone knows it's left leaning now. I wouldn't pay much attention to him... Somehow, he took a statement that this BBS consists of a bunch of people b****ing at each other and made it into me saying the BBS is left-leaning. He's having some difficulty with connecting arguments in this particular thread.
