It seems Kenny Lofton was with 9 teams in 7 years. Soriano was with FOUR teams in five years. Clemens has been with 5 teams in 9 years. Clown.
According to MVP balloting, he was the 10th best player in the NL in 2003 and in 2004 he was the 16th best player in the entire league. He's done pretty good for a worthless player with useless stats.
Juan D'Vaughn Pierre (born August 14, 1977 in Mobile, Alabama), is a professional baseball center fielder who plays for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He bats and throws left-handed. In his seven years through 2006, Pierre has batted .303 with 12 home runs, 287 RBI, and 325 stolen bases in 1,007 games. Through 2006 he leads all active major league ballplayers in at-bats per strikeout (16.51), and has led the NL in that category five of the past six years. Pierre is a lifelong Catholic who has appeared in the film series Champions of Faith which shows how faith has shaped the lives of Major Leaguers. Juan became a fan favorite early in his career because of his speed, durability, and work ethic. He led the National League in stolen bases in 2001 and 2003, and stole at least 45 bases each year from 2001 to 2006; because of his great speed and ability for contact hitting, many believe he is one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball. After a regular 2003 season in which he posted a .305 batting average, led the NL in games played (162), at bats (668), stolen bases (65), and sacrifice hits (15), and led the majors with the lowest strikeout percentage (5.2%),[1] Juan was a major contributor to the Marlins' 2003 World Series championship. He batted .333 in the World Series and .301 overall in his first postseason. In 2004, he led the National League in at-bats (for the second year in a row) with 678; hits (221); triples (12); games played (162); bunt hits (24)[2]; infield hits (38);[2](5.2%).[1] In addition, he was the only player in Major League Baseball to play every inning of each of his team's games. In 2005 Pierre led the National League in games played (162), and had the third-lowest strikeout percentage in baseball (6.9%).[3] In 2006, Pierre led the NL with 204 hits, winning his second hit title, and in at-bats (699), games played (162), bunt hits (21), infield hits (30),[4] and in lowest strikeout percentage (5.4%).[5] He also played perfect defensive baseball, earning a fielding percentage of 1.000. However, he also led the major leagues in outs made (532), the second-highest out total for a player since 1982. As of August 1, 2007, Pierre had the lowest strikeout percentage in the NL (5.7%) for 2007.[6] You both are clowns.
UPDATE: The 200-hit season by decade numbers were wrong and are corrected below. Ichiro got to 200 hits again 2 nights ago, and here are some interesting numbers for you: First considering just his career in North American MLB, he didn’t get his first 200-hit season until he was 27 (his first year with the Mariners) and has proceeded to get 200 hits in each of his first 7 seasons. First, most 200+ hit seasons from the age of 27 onwards: From To Ages Seasons Link to Individual Seasons +-----------------+----+----+-----+-------+------------------------------+ Pete Rose 1968 1979 27-38 8 Ind. Seasons Ichiro Suzuki 2001 2007 27-33 7 Ind. Seasons Charlie Gehringer 1930 1937 27-34 6 Ind. Seasons Lou Gehrig 1930 1937 27-34 6 Ind. Seasons Bill Terry 1929 1935 30-36 6 Ind. Seasons George Sisler 1920 1929 27-36 6 Ind. Seasons Sam Rice 1920 1930 30-40 6 Ind. Seasons Wade Boggs 1985 1989 27-31 5 Ind. Seasons Paul Waner 1930 1937 27-34 5 Ind. Seasons Al Simmons 1929 1933 27-31 5 Ind. Seasons Ty Cobb 1915 1924 28-37 5 Ind. SeasonsRose bridged the gap between the 154-game schedule and the 162-game schedule. His last 4 200-hit seasons all came in 162-game seasons (and actually the Phillies played 163 games in 1979.) most times achieving 200 hits within the first 7 years of a career: From To Ages Seasons Link to Individual Seasons +-----------------+----+----+-----+-------+------------------------------+ Ichiro Suzuki 2001 2007 27-33 7 Ind. Seasons Wade Boggs 1983 1988 25-30 6 Ind. Seasons Chuck Klein 1929 1933 24-28 5 Ind. Seasons Paul Waner 1927 1932 24-29 5 Ind. Seasons Michael Young 2003 2006 26-29 4 Ind. Seasons Juan Pierre 2001 2006 23-28 4 Ind. Seasons Kirby Puckett 1986 1989 26-29 4 Ind. Seasons Pete Rose 1965 1969 24-28 4 Ind. Seasons Lloyd Waner 1927 1931 21-25 4 Ind. SeasonsIchiro stands
Worst overstatement in the history of baseball. (OK, maybe the stat geeks who discredit runs and RBI as useful statistics are worse, but it's still bad.) I checked the numbers one time. (And now I'm quoting them from memory. Please excuses slight errors.) OBP is very, very slightly better at predicting runs scored than Batting Average. It's actually worse at predicting runs scored in the playoffs. Slugging percentage alone is excellent and it predicts the higher score ~75% of the time. To do better, the "magic number" is OPS. The team with the higher OPS wins 81% of the time. But, remember that OPS is only the addition of two slightly correlated statistics. What if we replaced the OBP of that with batting average? Oddly, the team with the higher BA+SLG% wins 80% of the time. Batting average is still used heavily by coaches because it is still a really important statistic.
You've made an excellent case in this thread. You've brought in solid numbers (especially the K/PA numbers--that is outstanding) and other great facts. You don't need this stupid ad hominem to strengthen your case. It's solid without it. The guys you're referring to are pretty sharp, IMO. But you've made a great case here.
Thanks, I appreciate it. But, those rolleyes always get me worked up when they're thrown my way, especially when in error. Speaking of, did you see that Juan Pierre played perfect defense in 2006 with fielding percentage of 1.000 despite making 532 put outs, the second highest total since '82? To the casual oberver this might not seem that important, but it helps win a championship. So does hitting .333 in the World Series.
That is simply an inaccurate post. Pretty much every analysis I've seen shows that the correlation factor between AVG and RS is around 0.84, while the correlation factor between SLG & OBP and RS is both around 0.91 (with SLG being higher if you go to more decimal places). OPS is even a stronger correlation, at around 0.96. You can get even better correlations by going to some of the more advanced metrics, but they are only minutely better than OPS, so it's a good go-by. Actually, the best predictors of runs scored that are easy to calculate are (1.8*OBP*SLG) & SLOB (SLG*OBP). But neither of these are intuitive as OPS, and neither are that much better.
K/PA? Meaningless. Simply making contact does not make a good player. I was browsing around and found a list of the best and worst active contact hitters (in 2006), and you tell me which contains the best hitters - source. Best contact hitters: Juan Pierre Placido Polanco Deive Cruz Neifi Perez Toby Hall Benji Molina Lenny Harris Tomas Perez Cesar Izturiz Rey Sanchez Worst contact hitters: Adam Dunn Mark Bellhorn Jim Thome Craig Wilson Brad Wilkerson Pat Burrell Carlos Pena Troy Glaus Jason LaRue Mike Cameron. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you make contact, it's what you do with that contact, and Pierre has a terribly empty .300 career AVG.
oh i'm here, but i don't wanna waste my time responding to these HATERS who hate on willy t for no reason, instead they constantly argue that luke crappy scott is better and somehow this has gone off into a comparison to juan pierre the point of my thread was to celebrate willy t and his success on the rockies, not to argue outrageous statistical points that can't be conclusive or not willy is the man and for those who agree that willy t is a badass then u know whats up but for those who want to google a bunch of empty stats, i'd rather just read and laugh to myself
Hammer, that's fascinating stuff. I don't have time to read it thoroughly enough to discuss it responsibly; but from the surface my thoughts are: 1) How is a K better than a groundout when there's a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out? 2) I realize that .300 is only a few hits better than .280 (one of the reasons OBP is a better stat), but doesn't that at least mean he got on base? Those are preliminary (unthought-out, unresearched) questions. I don't have time this AM to read it through and bring something better to the table.
You're just whining. The criticisms of Willy's game aren't malicious at all. And he's being repeatedly praised for his defense by the folks you're calling "haters".
I'm not comparing batting average vs. OBP alone. I'm comparing it to OBP, SLG, OPS, etc. Why in the world would you focus exclusively on batting average when other numbers are easily available that put it in a much larger context? Why would you use it by itself?
Pierre was a much more effective player in those seasons. He posted a .361 OBP in 2003 with a .734 OPS, and a .374 OBP (outstanding) with a .781 OPS in 2004, making him a good to very good player. However, he's clearly not that player today. He's been the same player for three years -- not good -- and that's the player I'm speaking of.
What success? Hitting .143 in the NLCS? His team winning 17 of 18 without him? Since statistical points aren't conclusive, can you please outline what is conclusive? And how you formed the opinion that Luke Scott is "crappy"? Thanks.
