Sorry Will, where ever you are, but this article is weak, in my opinion. Maybe if Dean had stopped there, his remarks could have been shrugged off. But he went further. He accused the president of double standards and twisted priorities, implying ulterior motives. "North Korea continues to flaunt international law by speeding ahead with their nuclear program with no consequences whatsoever," Dean charged. And despite the bombing of Afghanistan, he observed, "Osama Bin Laden still represents a threat to thousands of American lives." Thank you for showing us that DeLay understood the threat that Osama presented to the public. If Clinton agreed with DeLay, perhaps 9/11 would not have occurred. Also, Clinton struck a deal with the N. Koreans that was being violated openly. If Clinton and the Democrats has taken DeLay seriously, perhaps we would not be having problems today. Will, all you have shown me with this article is that DeLay was correct about these issues. The rest of your article asks us to compare the Serbian problem with the current Iraqi problem. How on Earth can you equate the two issues? Milosevic never never invaded another country. He never violated terms of cease fire with the UN. He never tried to assassinate a U.S. President. He never helped fund and train terrorists. He never fired upon U.S. and British planes on a daily basis. This article is partisan schlock. However....you got published nationally, which is something that will never happen to me, so congrats.
Milosevic never never invaded another country. He never violated terms of cease fire with the UN. He never tried to assassinate a U.S. President. He never helped fund and train terrorists. He never fired upon U.S. and British planes on a daily basis. No, he only committed genocide.
A better link is: dean follow the instructions. Click on "Democratic National Committee Winter Meeting General Session - Day 1." This will launch your media player. Governor Dean begins his speech at the two-hour mark of the tape, to which you can fast forward. The speech is excellent. I think he will convince a lot of Democrats to vote for this guy. He will blow away Gephardt, Liebeman and the rest of the dull plodders away. He is a really good speaker. He is perhaps my number one guy at this time. The speech in this segment does not have most of the controversial Iraq stuff that Delay mentions. A very good speech. Listen to it.
I HATE Tom DeLay...I loathe him entirely. You guys have just stumbled upon my LEAST favorite Republican. Trent Lott may be a dumbass and an embarrassment...but at least he doesn't do things he KNOWS will hurt the populace of his city just because it doesn't include one of the suburbs. I really hate DeLay.
Start of Dean's speech. What I want to know is why in the world the Democratic Party leadership is supporting the president's unilateral attack on Iraq …What I want to know is why are Democratic Party leaders supporting tax cuts …What I want to know is why we're fighting in Congress about the patients' bill of rights when the Democratic Party ought to be standing up for health care for every single American man, woman and child in this country …What I want to know is why our folks are voting for the president's No Child Left Behind bill that leaves every child behind, every teacher behind, every school board behind and every property taxpayer behind … (applause) … I'm Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
What are you trying to say Refman? Thanks for the link glynch, I'll try to listen to that this weekend. It sounds like Dean might be fast out of the gate.
Are you kidding? Saddam has killed far more people than Milosovic ever dreamed of killing. Saddam is responsible for a million deaths. Of course, if you are suggesting that genocide offends you, and you supported the Clinton/NATO was against Serbia- HAVE I GOT A WAR FOR YOU!
I saw him live at an event in Austin last fall. You are right about his oratory skills. Unfortunately he wouldn't stand a chance in a Presidential election solely because he approved domestic partnerships for gay couples in VT. I can see the attack ads now: "Protect the sanctity of Marriage, Re-Elect Bush blah blah blah"
outlaw: That's the great thing about the primaries. The primaries are a time when candidates should be asking for votes from their own party. And, if the party's righteous at all, it shouldn't be handicapping the general election. The primaries should be a time when members of the party in question have a heart to heart with each other, deciding what they believe in. They should not be a time to handicap the race, blowing off those things most important to them in the interest of a win. We know, as liberals, from the Clinton years, how hollow that victory can be -- even when a member of our own party kind of kicks ass as president. In the case of Clinton, while kicking ass, while grabbing the deficit issue for once and for all from the other side -- even making them change their entire deficit hawk thing to 'oh, now it's GOOD to have a deficit -- we found a winning candidate who invented 'don't ask, don't tell' (a worse policy than the previous non-policy), who passed the most hateful, most cruel welfare legislation of all time, and who basically ignored the environment, gay rights, civil rights, and every other major Dem issue, focusing instead on getting re-elected and, later, his 'legacy.' I could give a **** about his affairs. He was a lousy Democrat. And, frankly, I'm amazed that the right hated him. He was a right winger from the start. From ever since he lost his first gubernatorial election back in Arkansas. That's what we get when we play odds. As I've said before, the other party's different. They actually believe in things. And I respect them for that. I believe in different things. Electablility be damned. Howard Dean's my man. I'm voting for him, I'll work for him if I can figure a way to do it, and I'd encourage anyone else out there who's a real Democrat to vote for the only real Democrat in the race. It really is remarkable that there are like ten people running for the Democratic nomination and only one of them is a Democrat. If you're one too, vote Dean. That's all. Love, Batman
I believe in different things. Electablility be damned. Howard Dean's my man. I'm voting for him, I'll work for him if I can figure a way to do it, and I'd encourage anyone else out there who's a real Democrat to vote for the only real Democrat in the race. I'm with you, batman. Time for some action. A Jerry Brown, without the warts? As you recalled I loved Jerry Brown, still miss his great "We the People" program on KPFT. Hey. Batman what did you think about Nader?, who I now don't like too much. Did you watch the speech?
Saddam has killed far more people than Milosovic ever dreamed of killing. Saddam is responsible for a million deaths. Of course, if you are suggesting that genocide offends you, and you supported the Clinton/NATO was against Serbia- HAVE I GOT A WAR FOR YOU! I think stopping genocide is a completely valid reason by itself to go to war. In case you didn't know, I think both the Bosnian conflict and the Iraqi war are completely justified. I just have major, major issues with how Bush is going about it. It would be one thing if worldwide public support was against this despite our efforts, but we made virtually no effort (until it was way too late) to get the world behind us -- and that was an enormous mistake.
it's so funny how two people can look at the same thing...and see two entirely different things. I think the day we threatened unilateral action was the day it all fell apart. Had we gone to the UN from day #1 and made a very public moral case against Hussein from day #1, I think this war would be over by now. Instead, people said "oh, he'll make the case when need be" and "don't worry, he'll explain his reasons later" -- of course, that was way too late to convince anyone who already was in the anti-war camp. As it is, there's not a country in the world who's people back this war outside of the U.S. Without that, the number of governments that will support it is low -- and those that do are being dragged kicking and screaming into it (like Turkey). Blair risked his administration to back this thing -- it should never have even come close to that. This is a world lesson in how not to conduct international diplomacy (as opposed to his dad's lesson in exactly how to do it in 1990/1).
