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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by God's Son, Nov 23, 2007.

  1. tigermission1

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    I stopped reading right there...as KingCheetah would say, "Unlikely" ;)
     
  2. tigermission1

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    I think dubious may have just proven #3 on that list :p
     
  3. giddyup

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    So we must conclude, then, that there are no minority individuals who are more "successful" than me.... a white guy?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Because the system favors one group over another doesn't mean that every person in that group will be more successful than every person in another group.
     
  5. K mf G

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    not talkin about individuals,
    i'm talkin bout groups of people,

    i don't like to use the terms white, black, hispanic etc..., but to keep it simple it obvious which of those groups has the most success, it's not by coincidence, it is by design, and then the term success in itself is problematic, here i will use to decribe economic prosperity and oppurtunity
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    Why is it better? Because we are not in a war on our homeland? What makes us so much more fortunate? This type of thinking angers foreigners, citizens of the U.S. come off as being pompous. The U.S. is the greatest, most fortunate place to live in the world to us because it is the only place most of us have ever lived.
     
  7. Lil Pun

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    I am not advocating isolationism just the thought that the U.S. is the best, most fortunate nation in the world. Should we isolate ourselves? No, obviously not because that would be detrimental. Should we involve ourselves in every aspect of global relations? Debatable.
     
  8. MR. MEOWGI

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    That and we don't get lashes for naming a Teddy Bear Mohamed. We go to Hooters instead.
     
  9. Lil Pun

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    It may seem out of whack to us but it may be the norm for those people there. Just like we eat beef and in Vietnam they eat dog. Would I expect to stop by a street vendor anywhere in the U.S. and get some dog meat? No.
     
  10. torque

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    Which is exactly the same as getting whipped, after being raped, for being in a car with boys you aren't related to...right?

    There are some things in the world that are just wrong. Just because they happen in a different culture doesn't make them right. It's not right for somebody to starve, and it's not right for an entire gender to be denied the right to do a simple thing like drive a car. I don't care how you argue it, there is no way you can convince me that cultural relativism justifies violating basic human rights.
     
  11. Lil Pun

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    I don't really know why this was brought up, the whole punishment thing. Yes, some punishments are wrong, others may be debatable. I never advocated letting people starve.

    My whole argument was simply that I do not like the thinking that the U.S. is the best country in the world and everybody should be like us. The U.S. is not perfect, not by a long shot. Does that mean I hate this country? No, not at all. I think it is the best country in the world myself but then I again I have lived nowhere else.
     
  12. wnes

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    I am not in disagreement with you in principle but would like to point out that here in the U.S., driving is not a right, let alone a basic human right. It's a privilege ... heheh
     
  13. torque

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    Well my point was gender equality, which I think is a basic human right.
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    And I am not arguing against that. Sorry if it comes out that way.
     
  15. wnes

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    Well, don't you need it (the driving) to be a basic human right first before you can argue about the gender equality?

    Speaking of gender equality, guys are free to go topless in most places, while ladies are not, even in most liberal countries. That's a fact, and it's been accepted.
     
  16. tigermission1

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    Interesting points, all true.

    Rebuttal?
     
  17. StupidMoniker

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    It is better for any number of reasons, things like military power, equal protection under the law, standard of living, etc. In fact, there is hardly an objective measure that one could use to show that Congo or Afghanistan is better than America. It is fine to say that there is an argument that America is not the best country in the world, but we also are not trying to unilaterally impose our will on any of the other contenders.
    Most countries have some level of sexual inhibition. The reason that women are generally discouraged from going around topless is because t*** have been sexualized. Both women and men are discouraged from going around with any sexual body part exposed. For men that means penis, balls, and ass. For women that means vag, t***, and ass. This is less unequal treatment and more the physical difference between men and women. Similar to the exclusion of urinals from ladies restrooms not being unequal treatment of women and more a concession to our physical differences. In many Muslim countries women cannot have their legs, hair, abdomen, and sometimes even face exposed. That is unequal treatment of women.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    Some would point America's Death Penalty, Abortions, etc
    Right and Wrong are relative to the culture

    THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE RIGHT and no ABSOLUTE WRONG

    Right and Wrong are agreed upon values of a society/culture

    while we can talk about lashes for riding in a car with boys
    they would say . .well we don't kill babies in the wound that ain't done nothing to no one . .. .
    then we'd say women's right
    then they'd say baby's right
    blah blah blah on into infinity

    Rocket River
     
  19. wnes

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    Are you sure women's legs and abdomen are not sexualized? I mean are you not sexually turned on by sight of nicely curved, exposed legs and bellies of women? Are you a gay or what? (not that there is anything wrong with that, I may add, very courageous of you coming out of closet ;) )
     
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  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Deckard, that post was actually tongue in cheek. It seems like sometimes the races try to "one-up" each other and try to act like they are the ones suffering the most these days. So I thought I would join in with some fake outrage.

    But I agree with you on Mexico. Even as a little kid going over there I got the sense that there was a lot more discimination in Mexico than in the US, whether it be racism, classism, or homophobia.

    Many of them claim to be very religious Catholics, yet many hold bigotry in their hearts against certain groups. It's pretty crazy, and disturbing.
     

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