If we are modeling our team after the Shakobe Lakers, with a dominant inside and outside presence, then where are our shooters that will enable our offense to run effectively? The Lakers always had two or three guys parked and ready to hoist the three if the defense collapsed on either Shaq or Kobe. Guys like Horry, Fox, and Fisher made a living on the 3-point line. Now if you take a look at our roster, it's quite obvious we don't have the shooters to make this offense run effficiently...Ward, Jackson, MoT, Boki, Bowens...these guys don't command the necessary respect from 3-point range that the Laker role players did, nor do they have the "lock and load" mentality it takes to thrive as a long range threat. Do we address this problem via trade or will someone unexpectedly step up? As a side, anyone know what happened to MacBeth? He used to be a regular contributor. I looked forward to his posts...
What you talkin' bout fool!? I capped some with semi-automatics just down by the Ocean Docks. Them fools ain't see nothin' comin'! Damn, this GTA:SA is messing with my brain!
It is interesting you brought this up because I saw that the Lakers didn't pick up the option on Kareem Rush and thought how great he would be on this team. Outside of him, I can't think of anyone else that could be had. I just hope, if or when the Rockets make a deal for a PG, that he will be proficient from behind the arc. This is why I think a guy like Marco Jaric from the Clippers would be an ideal PG for this team. But, that's just me.
Mo-T isn't a 3 point shooter(though he may be practicing to be one), but he shoots it far enough out to make the defense stay honest. Tmac, JJ, and Lue are good 3 point shooters. Ward has a good rep as a 3 pt shooter(which I don't particularly buy into). Still, it would have been nice to have brought in Voshon Lenard or Peeler to stroke the twine from off the bench. Maybe we can get a good shooting sf in the draft this year.
You think? I was not impressed at all with Marco last year. Not sold on his shooting touch, pg skills, or d to tell you the truth. He is tall though.
Ward can be as good a spot up shooter as Mobley was given the open looks he'll be getting. As long as he doesn't go Pike on the Rockets, he should be good from long-range. TMac will probably do better on the perimeter than Steve. You can probably count on both hands the number of times Steve was able to can a 3 during the season off the catch and shoot. Lue from long-distance is by far the greatest discrepancy from last year when the Rockets had Moochie and then Mark Jackson. You can probably count on ONE hand the number of times Mark Jackson hit the 3 pointer off the catch and shoot. The main 3 point shooters last year were Mobley and JJ. They shot a whole lot of them. I expect Ward to shoot a lot of 3s. I expect Lue to shoot a lot also.
The guy has a career 3pt% of .366 and even last year when he couldn't get off San Antonio's bench he was shooting .368 from behind the arc. Seems pretty good to me. It's his defense that I'd be more worried about.
Right in front of you, if you would open your eyes. Last year we had Mobley JJ Francis as our primary 3pt shooters. Francis shot a horrible .292 from the 3. Yet, collectively we were still good enough for 3rd in the league, with .366. This year we have Tmac JJ Ward Lue as our primary 3pt shooters. That +1 in quantity, and +awhole****load in quality. Lets say Tmac takes the place of Mobley, and JJ stays the same. Ward and Lue will combine to be much, much better than .292. So as a whole we can expect to be 3rd or thereabouts once again.
There is no comparison between Francis and TMac as to perimeter shooting. I don't know what the stats are, but I have watched both for the last five years. TMac can smoke from the outside, and he seems to hit when it counts the most. Francis' outside shots were seldom timely, one of the many things that frustrated me about him. Last season, I was shocked when he made an outside shot. Once TMac gets rolling, some of you are going to be stunned at the damage he can do from the arc. Life is good when your favorite player in the league is brought in to replace your least favorite player in the league, and the exchange is made on your favorite team.
and yet Boki shot .365 from behind the arc last year while rebounded fairly well and blocking shots and he still can't get any respect.
When the lakers were first assembled, i doubt those guys had reputations as great shooters (besides Horry). Playing with dominant players forced them to find that niche, and they eventually became pretty efficient. Once our guys get accustomed to hoisting up open 3's on a regular basis, i think they'll be more than adequate.
Same old line you were selling last week, but your equation doesn't add up McGrady shot a whopping .339, or .037 better than Francis from 3 last year. Mobley shot .426. unless .087 < .037, which I don't believe it is , you can't say "Tmac takes the place of Mobley". Tmac is a comparable shooter to Francis from 3, slightly better, but not by much. He was not a comparable shooter to Mobley from 3, at least not as much as he was to Francis. Lue and Ward have to hit not better than Francis, but better or around Mobley for it to even out.
Francis was .292 last year from 3PT. McGrady was .339 last year from 3PT. That extra .047 DOES make a difference...just like a .050 would raise TM's 3PT% to .389! Nevertheless, it wasn't *that* good for either player... If you want to consider last year as *bad* years for both players. Then... Francis was .354 from 3PT two years ago. McGrady was .386 from 3PT two years ago. I'll take TMac! Who thinks that TMac will shoot better from 3PT this year with Yao in the post? I do, I do!!!!!!! From 2 point land. At 3PT, it was .390.
Conveniantly you use Tmac's stats from last year, his WORST year shooting when he was triple teamed on every shot. He averages .356 for his career and I'm expecting him to shoot .38+ with Yao down low. Which will be comparable to Mobley's *.390* last year. I don't know where you got .426 from. Oh, unless you want to compare Mobley's FG% with Tmac's 3PT%. And Tmac shot *.047* better from 3 than Francis last year. I don't know where the **** you got .037 from. I guess that was just a straight up lie. Yeah this is the same old line i was selling last week, cause I'm damn right. Funny how some people think putting up a few statistics will convince everybody about your point, but then somebody looks them up and you're exposed for the fraud that you are. Not that thats you mister SamFisher, just hypothetically. "Same old line you were selling last week, but your equation doesn't add up" Yeah, no ****. You're using the wrong equations, Sherlock.
Oh, I see, jack, so I'm guilty of using T'mac's statistics from last year which is his worst offensive season, and you, jack, are willing to take me to task for it, jack. Meanwhile, you -- jack -- used Francis' numbers from last year, his worst offensive season Let me let you in on one, jack, neither does yours, jack. Read more to learn why, as if you can't see it, I certainly can't explain it to you: You're welcome, jack. .037....047 I added wrong, jack, I admit that much, and I used 42 instead of 39. Anyway, it doesn't make any difference, jack; McGrady is .051 worse than Mobley, .047 better than Francis, jack. Again, last time I checked, jack, one of those numbers is bigger than the other, jack Tell me, jack. I'm going away on business for a while tomorrow, hopefully you'll come up with an answer, jack, when I get back. Honestly, Tyler jack Durden, jack, are you just screwing around with me for the sake of messing around, jack? Or is this your game, jack, and you plan on doing this act all season, jack as I'd like to know out of curiousity, jack? David S What I'm saying is quite simple and has nothing to do with the trade, Francis, or anything like that. It's just plain misleading for people to say, well, "Mobley as a shooter is gone, but Tmac's shooting makes up for that and then some all the way!" No it doesn't, in fact, he's exactly at the midpoint between Francis and Mobley on the arc. At best it's a wash.
Here is where logic comes in. I never said Francis is a BAD 3pt shooter, just that he was last year in that situation. So it would make no sense to go comparing random 3pt % of these two in different circumstances. The RIGHT comparison is Francis last year vs Tmac this year. On the Rockets, under JVG. Those are the circumstances. I could care less what Steve shot his sophmore year. In the same token, i could care less what Tmac shot last year under triple teams. Did that get through the metal plate this time? Francis with Yao under JVG vs. Tmac with Yao under JVG. And i have every reason to belive he will shoot better than his career average 3P% with a big man. "Let me let you in on a little secret jack -- that argument from you doesn't wash." Did i ever say this? I mean, i agree with it, that your arguments aren't worth ****, but did i ever say it? You put it in a quote as if i typed it out. Must be the little lebricon that said it cause it sure as hell wasn't me. Uh, yeah it does. The whole "wrong" part. Ok i would just like to say, probably for most of us on the BBS, WHAT..THE....****? Are you insane? I mean, seriously. Did i just debunk all of your stupid little arguments and fake stats and a vessel in your brain just popped??? What the hell is with all the "jack"s? Man you've lost it. You need help. When you come back from fairyland or where ever you are, i would be glad to take you to some counseling as long as you agree to wear a muzzle. Man...that was some crazy read. Hannibal Lector type crazy.
If all you are talking about is tit-for-tat percentages from last year....fine...but... We do have two .360-.400 3PT% shooters at point guard (Ward/Lue). Francis's .292? I don't want it. Francis's .350 from two years ago? Nope. Rather have a .360-.400 guards like Ward/Lue. AS LONG AS THEY HIT THOSE OPEN SHOTS! And you can't ignore the scoring ability that ONE guy we have (McGrady) at the 2. His FG% will go up. And his scoring will be around 24-26PPG. Couple that with his very good passing and low turnovers....well, those intangibles should make the whole, "not a wash." If all you are looking at is the one-for-one percentages from LAST year...ok fine. But that really doesn't matter. Not unless you think those percentages wont change. Which is highly unlikely. McGrady's .339 3PT% is not set in stone. That WILL go up (.380-.400). Hey! If JVG can improve Mobley's shot, he can do the same for McGrady's. Plus, add Yao's double teams to that mix. Sure, we're always be looking for other point guards this year and next. As well as another small forward. It's all fine-tuning.
Ward has been known to be a great set shooter from the 3 point line. Compared to Mobley he won't be able to create a shot or get around a man for a stop and pop but if he is just chillin on the 3 point line waiting for a pass out of the post, he is going to be very effective for us. Last year Mobley was a .390 shooter from behind the arc while Ward shot .408 Over their career Ward - .366 Mobley - .372 So they are very similar from behind the arc...the athletic ability is better than Ward but Ward is going to get the job we need done without taking excessive shots.
