I was having a conversation with some co-workers today on what it means for a woman to put herself in a mans position. It turned into a pretty heated discussion. So I was wondering since the five of us could have such different opinons on what it means, what would the wonderful world of clutchfans have to say :grin: . Now this started over an old internet article about how a man nearly beat a woman to death. I didn't read the article, it was brought up in casual conversation at lunch, and all I did was state my opinion so I cannot site the article. The man in the article claimed he was justified cause she put herself in a mans position. So I was wondering what the phrase means to you, what would you consider crossing the line for a woman to be considered a man in a fight, and how you would go about handling the situation. My opinion is that I cannot see putting my hands on a woman at all unless it is in the most dire of straights. I can see restraining her if myself or another is in danger. Others saw different from my opinion. So I was wondering, What's yours? I would love to get input from the female posters also. I hope for this to be an insightful thread into the boundries between men and women, on when one can be treated equal in such a violent aspect of human nature. If I put this in the wrong forum, mods please move to the D&D. Thank You
I really think it matters more the size of the person and the circumstances of what's going than whether or not it's a woman. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she can't be dangerous and cause serious damage. You have to defend yourself.
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not that there is anything really wrong with it, people can do what they want on here. but does not seem to be much serious discussion here anymore. lots of threads with the first several responses being jokes. just sayin' carry on
Isn't life serious enough already? I agree, the Hangout has been worse recently (and I've contributed to it on occasion) but, ultimately, I don't come to ClutchFans for serious bizniz. It's mostly for entertainment. And this section is called the "Hangout" after all. Maybe the D&D is more what you're looking for. Personally, I almost never go there. Too serious for my taste.
The first couple of responses really set the tone for the discussion. Like it or not, some people do come here to have a serious discussion once in a while. As you said, there isn't anything wrong with the jokes, but they can sometimes get in the way (or prevent) of a nice discussion.
Personally I don't understand how someone could put their hands on a loved one, whether it's their gf, wife, sister, female friend, etc. Now if the woman committed a hateful crime. Something just despicable, then that's a different story. I had a psycho gf once and obviously it didn't work out and when I broke it off she went violent and started swinging at me. My natural instinct was to strike back but for some reason all I did was block her hits and pushed her psycho self off. I just couldn't hit back. Not to be sexist or anything, but it didn't really hurt anyways. .. Now as for the OP.. what do you mean by "putting herself in a man's position"?? I'm confused. Maybe the woman is a violent steroid-taking body builder? In that case, if she came after me, I would be most inclined to strike back. or take off.. don't wanna get hulk smashed
i promise i get that. its just that ive come here over the years and actually got a ton of insight in some things. and that is lacking lately i think. it doesnt really bother me, i was mostly just pointing it out. :grin:
If my life or the life of a loved one isn't in apparent danger, then the most I would do is restrain a woman, whether that's grabbing her arms or tackling her to the ground. I can't see myself throwing punches, kicking her, etc. Now, if my life or the life of a loved one WAS in immediate danger, then all bets are off. I would not discriminate at that point.
<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3FgMLROTqJ0&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3FgMLROTqJ0&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> What do you say to a woman with two black eyes? Spoiler Nothing. You already told her twice. Seriously, if a man beats up his wife, it is not different than a woman beating up her husband. It isn't wrong because it the two people are specifically men or women. The issue there isn't man on woman violence, but violence, uncontrolled anger, and bullying in a relationship between two people who claim to love each other. If one lesbian beats the crap out of her girlfriend, it is just as odious as a man beating up a woman or a gay man beating up his boyfriend.
My dad was pretty abusive to my mother, and while I do have an anger streak, I couldn't forgive myself if I struck another woman. There's been different situations where emotions are heated or anger is pumping in your veins for you to claim she "deserves it"(nasty women do exist), but there's always a different answer that works just as well without violence. As for the question itself, it seems like the man in the story got caught up in his rage and went beyond whatever the woman did.
Agree with this. Just take it as is and cool out. I also partly agree with the comment this response was for. The "lots of threads with the first several responses being jokes" part. I think a couple times threads get the "cool story bro" attacks and it can dull discussion. Not the case here, but I've thought that. But still not a big deal yet. Me its restrain her if she's attacking hand-to-hand. If she has a weapon or utensil, all bets are off. Its too bad I'd have to worry about jail time and public perception killing my image and career.
I don't understand why it's any worse to hit a woman than it is a man. I don't care who it is, if someone's coming at me with the intent of doing me physical harm, gender is irrelevant. You say I shouldn't hit someone because they're a woman? Seems to fly in the face of all the "equal rights, equal treatment" stuff women fought so hard for. I'll treat you the same as I treat anyone else. You say I shouldn't hit a woman because she's weaker than me? More than likely, but not necessarily. By that logic, there should never be physical violence because in all instances, one person will be stronger than the other. But people do anyway, so we know that's BS as well. So in my eyes, whatever your reasoning is, it doesn't stand up. I'm not going to actively seek out women to smack around, but if someone's trying to hurt me or someone I care about, you'd best believe having a penis or vagina doesn't make a bit of difference to me.
Several months back I was slapped by a woman, not for a good reason but a reason understandable enough given what had played out earlier. I am going to blunt: I did not care. It wasn't the first time and it may certainly may not be the last I was slapped by a woman. I paid no attention to the woman because I was in a conversation with another woman, and I honestly believed that if I ignored the situation then I could keep the conversation going and get me some. Hell, was I wrong. The second slap I think was totally uncalled for, so I began pushing her off me and calling her a b**** as I sat on my ass continuing to try to have this conversation with the other woman. Damn, things only got worse. I eventually said something to the slap happy woman that I did not have proper protection and was in no mood to deal with her random sexual urges. She slapped me a third time and I knew I had to act. I stood up and began pushing her back. Yes, I honestly felt like slapping the **** out of this woman or at the very least throw her to the ground as hard as I could, but I held off because there were other people present. I eventually calmed the slap happy woman down but she gave me the cold sholder there afterwards. Now, if it were just she and I in a private setting I would have slapped her, but because it was in a public situation I held off because all that mumbo jumbo chivalry bullshti I was taught early in my life. No, I don't think it's ok to slap a woman in public. Just do what I did, grab the b**** and walk her away from the scene and tell her how it is.
This is my line of reasoning. Generally, women are significantly smaller and/or significantly weaker than men. I think men who abuse women and children are of the lowest life forms on earth. Truly mentally weak individuals. These men allow their emotions to get the best of them only when they are around people physically weaker than them. I would feel just as disgusted by watching a pro fighter attack a weaker guy or Chyna fight a frail man. It's the unfair advantage that is offensive. Before using violence I think everyone should ask themselves how fair this really is, from a physical standpoint.
