No, I'm saying the problem is the occupation and not Hamas. The creation of Hamas is simply an evolution of the occupation. Why shouldn't Hamas threaten Israel's existence? Israel threatens Palestine's existence through its very occupation. You want the two parties to play by different rules it appears.
ERRRR, Wrong! They will STILL be an occupying force as long as they remain on those lands they're currently stealing. The de facto border they're attempting to create with that illegal wall is not going to work long-term, I guarantee you that much. Did you even see the route of that wall or are you opining without much knowledge on the matter? If anything, that wall will make damn sure that there is never a viable Palestinian state. Wishful thinking on your end. Negotiations are the only way, stealing a huge chunk of the West Bank (about a third of it) is NOT a path to lasting peace and lasting settlement.
I guess we will see. Once there is no significant Palestinian presence on the Israeli side of the wall, that territory will be, for all intents and purposes, a part of Israel. The Israelis have shown no inclination to bow to international pressure as far as the Palestinians are concerned (see: Israel not returning to the pre-1967 borders), they will no longer have to be (as) concerned about terrorists, and the people inhabiting the land will be Israeli. They will be an occupation force insofar as the United States is occupying the land of the Sioux, but the distinction is meaningless. I predict that the Israelis will claim everything on their side of the wall, and will be far less tolerent of any continuing violence.
Israel has invaded and occupied territory belonging to Jordan (the West Bank in 1967 was Jordanian territory for which they've dropped their claim too) Syria, Egypt and Lebanon. In addition to the West Bank and Gaza (Israel hasn't given independence to Gaza and still controls the borders and moves in at will) Israel is still occupying Syrian territory (The Golan Heights) and Lebanese territory (Sheba Farms).
Please correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't Syria declare War on Israel shortly after they became a state (along with most other Muslim nations)? They attacked Isreal and got their butts kicked and Israel took the Golan Heights as part of that war. I believe Syria is technically STILL in a state of declared war with Israel but they don't attack because they can't win. Wouldn't that make the Golan Heights a spoil of war?
Israel didn't occupy the Golan Heights in 1948 but in 1967 when Israel launched a preemptive strike against the Arab coalition. The success of that strike allowed Israel to capture almost all of the occupied territories. Israel still is technically in a state of war with most Arab countries accept for Egypt, Jordan and Morrocco so yes its a spoil of war but that doesn't mean its not occupied anymore than when the allies occupied Germany prior to the formation of East and West Germany or even when Germany occupied Poland.
Have to correct you on that one..."most" Muslim countrie didn't declare war on Israel, a few weak Arab states/tribes in the immediate neighborhood did. Also, Arabs are by FAR a minority of Muslims worldwide...
Actually Isreal Created hammas. it was thought isreal could use it against Arafat and the fatah party as a political tool. as time grew, the isrealies became more isolated from hammas and hammas was befriended and supported by the Islamic Republic of iran. now hammas is run by thew Shia Theocracy in iran. they build hospitals, Schools from there iranian payrolls. while the iranian people are living like crap. the irony is sickening.
Sorry I didn't mean it actually that it happened but in theory as whenever there is some sort of dispute going on in the Middle East, people seem to mention Israel pretty quickly as in the Iran thread (example)..but this country is still puzzling to me..so is their goal is to expand or cleanse all the threats against them?
That is not true. In both 1948 and 1967 Israel attacked first. In 1948 Israel already occupied a number of Palestinian villages and had massacred people in another piror to their May Independence day. I guess technically you could say that since they were still a month from becoming a recognized state. In 1967 they preemptively attacked the Egyptian forces in part to increase their holdings and occupy more land.
Oh ok, now I understand what you were referring to. As for Isreal, yes it is an expansionist state, that much has been clear throughout its history. The original goal (at least in theory) was a Greater Israel "from the Nile to the Euphrates" (i.e. Egypt to Iraq and everything inbetween).
