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What is fascism?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by StupidMoniker, Apr 22, 2023.

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What is fascism?

  1. Everything within the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside of the state

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  2. Little or no interference from the government in the lives of citizens

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  3. Capitalism, including the mixed economy seen in the United States today

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  4. Libertarianism

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    Peter Attia wants Michelle Obama to outlive Elon and Hitler in the Golden years???

    Just so he can think and grow rich!!?

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    Libertarianism can never truly exist. In order to maintain everyone's personal freedom, you'd need an entity to enforce those principals as otherwise individuals with power would use that power to take away other's freedoms. It would devolve into a feudalist system. But the very entity that would need to create rules to ensure everyone's freedom would in fact become a gov't that infringed on some freedoms to guarantee others.
     
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    Sounds like you are really saying anarchy cannot exist. There are other forms of libertarianism, including those that allow for a limited government that exists only to protect people's rights. Don't hurt other people, don't take their stuff. That's it.
     
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    No, I am saying Libertarianism can not exist. As I've stated before, it would simply become a corporatocracy that was similar to feudalism. That's not anarchy, it just mean the rich will rule over everyone else. So the rich will get all the freedoms, sure, while everyone else can be goaded into doing what the rich need. They will have some bill of rights...which won't be necessarily enforced. But hey, that's libertarianism.
     
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    The problem with Libertarianism is the same problem with Communism. Both are utopian with believing like Rousseau that human self interests will ultimately act in the good of society. The problem is that both ignore things like game theory and that collusion will produce inequalities and corruption.

    Under Communism it becomes easy for a small cabal to not actually work for the good of all to their own needs but want more. Under Libertarian a cabal’s interests rather than being checked by other interests gain greater economic and political control. The situation we saw with the rise of Robber Barons in this country.
     
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    Fascism Checklist


    Fascism, as exemplified by Mussolini's rule in Italy, was a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by several key elements:

    Totalitarian Control
    Mussolini established a dictatorship, centralizing power and suppressing opposition. He dismantled democratic institutions, banned political parties except for his Fascist Party, and created a secret police force to crush dissent10. The regime exerted control over all aspects of society, including the media, education, and labor unions.

    Extreme Nationalism
    Fascism under Mussolini promoted an obsessive focus on national glory and unity. It glorified ancient Rome and promised to return Italy to its past greatness. This ultranationalism was used to justify aggressive foreign policy and imperial ambitions

    Militarism and Violence
    The Fascist regime embraced militarism and the use of violence to achieve its goals. Mussolini formed paramilitary groups like the Blackshirts to terrorize opponents9. He also pursued expansionist policies, invading countries like Ethiopia and Albania.

    Cult of Personality
    Mussolini cultivated a cult of personality, presenting himself as Il Duce (the Leader). He used propaganda extensively to portray himself as a quasi-divine figure with superhuman abilities910.

    Corporatist Economic System
    The Fascist regime implemented a corporatist economic model, where the state controlled and directed the economy while still allowing private ownership9. This system aimed to subordinate individual and class interests to the perceived needs of the nation.

    Racial Policies
    While initially not as extreme as Nazi Germany, Mussolini's regime eventually adopted racist policies, particularly targeting Jews. In 1938, Italy passed anti-Semitic laws restricting the rights of Jewish citizens.

    Fascism under Mussolini was characterized by the suppression of individual liberties, glorification of the state, and the use of violence and intimidation to maintain power, all wrapped in a veneer of ultranationalist rhetoric and symbolism
     
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    Masha Gessen on how totalitarianism reclaimed Russia
    CBC Radio · Posted: Nov 10, 2017 6:05 PM CST | Last Updated: November 16, 2017

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the...ow-totalitarianism-reclaimed-russia-1.4396897

    Can the Putin regime, as it exists today (2017), be characterized as totalitarian?

    Actually, I don't think the regime can be characterized as totalitarian. This is where it gets a little complicated. I think that what happened was that Putin set out to build a mafia state. He had no ambitions of being a totalitarian leader. He wanted to hold onto power in perpetuity, and he wanted to get rich, and he wanted to make sure that his friends got rich. For the first 12 years in power, he could have a mafia state as an authoritarian.

    In an authoritarian state, nothing is political. The authoritarian ruler does not want people to participate. He wants them to stay home, tend to their private business and leave him and his clique alone to do their business. The totalitarian ruler wants the exact opposite. He wants people out in the streets, out in the public square, cheering for his latest conquest. Everything becomes political and the private realm disappears. And so in Russia, Putin was an authoritarian and he built an authoritarian regime to sustain his mafia state.

    After protests broke out in 2011, 2012, he needed to crack down. When he cracked down, the old habits and customs of a totalitarian society kicked in, because he wasn't cracking down just anywhere. He was cracking down in a country that had lived through decades of totalitarianism, where the habits, the tools for surviving in a state of totalitarianism had been passed on from generation to generation. And now what we have, I think, is a mafia state presiding over a totalitarian society.
     
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    Sound familiar?


    Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian,and ultranationalist political ideology that emphasizes a strong, centralized state, militarism, and suppression of opposition. It prioritizes the interests of the nation or race above individual rights and freedoms, often through a dictatorial leader and regimentation of society. Fascism opposes liberalism, democracy, and communism.
    Here's a more detailed breakdown:
    Key Characteristics:
    • Nationalism:
      Fascism promotes intense nationalism, often with a sense of national decline or victimhood, and a desire to purify the nation.
    • Authoritarianism:
      Fascist regimes are typically led by a single, powerful dictator who controls all aspects of government and society.
    • Militarism:
      Fascism glorifies military strength and uses violence to achieve its goals, including suppression of dissent and expansionism.
    • Suppression of Opposition:
      Fascist regimes actively suppress or eliminate political opposition, often through violence, intimidation, and propaganda.
    • Economic Control:
      Fascism often involves state control over the economy, with varying degrees of private ownership, but always with significant government oversight and planning.
    • Cult of the Leader:
      Fascism often involves a cult of personality around the leader, who is presented as infallible and essential to the nation's destiny.
    • Rejection of Individualism:
      Fascism emphasizes the collective identity of the nation or race, subordinating individual rights and freedoms to the perceived needs of the state.
    • Racism and Xenophobia:
      Fascism frequently incorporates racist and xenophobic ideologies, targeting specific groups as enemies of the nation.
    Historical Context:
    • Fascism rose to prominence in Europe in the aftermath of World War I, as a reaction against the perceived failures of democracy and the rise of communism.
    • Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolf Hitler's Germany are the most well-known examples of fascist regimes.
    • Fascism contributed to the outbreak of World War II, with its aggressive expansionist policies and ideology of racial superiority.
    Modern Relevance:
    • While fascism is largely associated with the 20th century, some scholars and commentators see echoes of fascist ideology and practices in contemporary political movements, including those in the United States.
    • Concerns have been raised about the rise of nationalism, authoritarianism, and political violence in some countries, and whether these trends represent a resurgence of fascist tendencies.
     

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