1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

What happened?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketballin, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    I am just dumbfounded at how Steve Francis has just about called it a career. The guy has been wiped off the NBA map. I love Steve and if it were up to me he would be the best PG in the league, but I've never seen anyone who was so good an promising fall from grace so fast. I mean guys like Iverson and Cassell are still contributing to their teams, and it seems as if theyve been in the league two times longer than Steve. Personally I think he has some kind of Chronic injury which will never allow him to play basketball at the NBA level again, or maybe he just lost the love of the game when he got traded from a place he loved so dearly. I know there are hundreds of things that could have caused Steve to regress, but I guess none of us will ever really know. :(

    p.s. Im still pulling for you Steve....
     
  2. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    14,382
    Likes Received:
    13
    Get over the man love.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575

    Which part of Steve are you pulling for him?
     
  4. GoRedRowdies

    GoRedRowdies Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2007
    Messages:
    388
    Likes Received:
    0
    towards or away from yourself?
     
  5. rodrick_98

    rodrick_98 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2000
    Messages:
    4,362
    Likes Received:
    6
    42 games in.... you just now came to this realization?
     
  6. choujie

    choujie Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2002
    Messages:
    7,389
    Likes Received:
    77
    Steve's game relies on athletisism too much. When he's healthy and young, his ability to get a shot off, get to the FT line and reboud makes him an impact player regardless. Once he's injured or old, he starts to lose those ability but he doesn't have the basketball IQ to make up for it.

    He didn't work hard enough to change his style when he was young, now it looks like he wants to change, but just not able to.
     
  7. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    Im sorry he was just my favorite Rocket ever. The last player I saw with as much emotion as Stevie was Sam I Am, and I loved that. Anyway Its just sad how things have panned out this season so far. We are #10 in the West, Steve cant get outta the trainers room, T-Mac is being T-Mac, all the FA aquisitions look like crap.. and the list goes on. It would be a pipe dream to imagine Steve coming back as a contributer and a peice that takes us deep into the playoffs. but hey anything could happen.... I mean look at the NY Giants!!!! THeyre in the *****ing SuperBowl.
     
  8. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    14,382
    Likes Received:
    13
    Steve won one playoff game as a Rocket and he is your favorite player ever?

    Wow.
     
  9. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    No not at all. Its just funny how Stevie just dissapeared. I wish he would come back and tear it up like he used to.
     
  10. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    36,967
    Likes Received:
    35,882
    I love Francis, but he's pretty much kaput. Huge payout=complacency. Being 'not wanted' and traded several times hurt his ego. I think it's all in his head and that he could really make it happen if he wanted to. Essentially he's burnt out and has no reason to play.

    I've used this analogy before, but he's like that fat girl with the pretty face. You know that if she put in the work, she would be smoking, but that's no reason to marry her. Just move along.
     
  11. sbyang

    sbyang Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,937
    Likes Received:
    43
    What happened? the breakup happened. Check his numbers before and after the split with Cuttino. I predict Stevie turning things around once they reunite (you know it's going to happen).
     
  12. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    Yea he got just as far as T-Mac and Yao have.. Steve put the team on his shoulders night in and night out for us on a consistant basis. He had absolutley no help what so ever, unless you think that Mo-Taylor and Kelvin Cato were an elite front court. Did all of you forget the excitement he brought you. Remember that season where Steve had the plantar facsitis or whatever its called. Im not sure exactly how many games we lost in a row, but I do know it was in the teens. When was the last time that one player went down and a team suffered so much?? So dont try and downplay what Steve meant to this team. Give Steve an experienced Yao and I bet we beat that Laker team who knocked us off to eventually win the Title that year.
     
  13. dtowninyourtown

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    496
    Likes Received:
    10
    uhhh... are you serious?
     
  14. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    Carl Herrera sucked :D
     
  15. ibm

    ibm Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    8,600
    Likes Received:
    60
    to the op - many like sf3, but favorite rocket EVER? you're the 1st i've ever heard of.

    fans can be sooooooo different. from the get go, i've never liked his game and always thought he's overrated (think baron davis, the same class) and overpaid. it's not like only sf3 has a passion for the game.

    many (like cato and co.) get paid and then laid down or even disappeared. but a huge payout is never the reason you lose drive. reference - veteran michael finley.
     
  16. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    Uhhh yea.... name the last time we lost 15 in a row???

    Are you effin serious??
     
  17. tinman

    tinman 999999999
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    104,381
    Likes Received:
    47,277
    i've had this. it really sucks. however, Tim Duncan had it too and its treatable.

    The reason why Steve was so good was of Rudy T. Rudy knew his strengths and weaknesses so he focused on his strengths. That's why there was so many ISO plays. That whole team that almost made to the playoffs, looking back.. really sucked talent wise.

    Steve, Cutino, Anderson, Mo Taylor, Kato? and we almost made the playoffs??!!

    Post Rudy T, Steve, Mo Taylor, kato and Anderson were exposed. Only Cutino was the one with the best talent and skill to adjust to a new team/coach.

    Compare that to Cassell/Horry leaving the Rockets. Their skill level never diminished post Rudy T. People who watched Cassell in the early years knew of his talent despite his splitting time with Kenny.

    I was alarmed that Steve couldn't beat out Jamer Nelson, Nate Robinson, Marbury, and just being waived by Portland (Jared Jack, Steve Blake). So I was cautious about his return bringing in dividends.
     
  18. rocketballin

    rocketballin Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    60
    Well I loved Hakeem and Drexler and Barkley, and Cassell, and Horry, and Kenny the Jet, and Super Mario, and even Pete *****in Chillcutt haha. But I dont think I was ever as excited about getting a player than I was that day we got Stevie. Getting Yao was great, but no one really knew what we had. T-Mac was exciting and I must admit I was happy we got him, but its just kinda been like ho hum with him since. Anyway I knew what we were getting with Steve. Excitement and and enthusiasm we haddent had since the glory days in the mid 90's. Steve was stuck with a Rockets team that was going through its "dark ages". Funny how it seems like were still in the dark ages, atleast in basketball sense.
     
  19. dtowninyourtown

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    496
    Likes Received:
    10
    We may have not lost 15 in a row, but im pretty sure before this season, we were only about 11-42 or something without tmac. And thats still having Yao ming playing most of it. So i think its safe to say tmac meant a lot to this team. Im also pretty sure that when francis was hurt, that team was worthless. When tmac goes down and you have a team that should still be able to win more than 11 games, but they dont, I think that proves tmac meant more.
     
  20. ibm

    ibm Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    8,600
    Likes Received:
    60
    that's cool. you're entitled to it. i was just saying fans can be so different.

    one thing you may not like to hear, though. in my mind, steve was part of the reason why we had that dark age (that, plus the sucky drafts); he's not talented enough like chris paul or baron davis his classmate to carry a team on his shoulders. i still clearly remember these dark years as i almost quit on the team.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now