You have to ask yourself two questions: 1) What does Walker do well? 2) What do the Rockets need from a power forward? In my opinion, the answers to those two questions will never match with Walker. 38% shooting from the PF spot is unacceptable...
lost_elephant: have you ever considered that players play a certain way in certain systems and have the ability to change? for a reference point: see: cat mobley see: kt see: rick fox players have the ability to change what they do on the court, for the benefit of the team. it's been proven.
versus KG: game 1: 31 points, 8 boards, 3 assists, 11-24 fg game 2: 12 points, 8 boards, 4 assists, 5-14 fg versus duncan: game 1: 15 points, 10 boards, 2 assists, 7-20 fg game 2: 18 points, 7 boards, 4 assists, 8-20 fg versus webber: game 1: webber did not play game 2: 15 points, 6 boards, 10 assists, 7-20 fg versus brand: game 1: 26 points, 9 boards, 4 assists, 9-20 fg game 2: brand did not play versus: k. malone: game 1: 27 points, 7 boards, 5 assists, 10-22 fg game 2: 20 points, 8 boards, 1 assist, 7-18 fg ************ when you compare the stats, only webber clearly outplayed antoine walker. oh, one more thing to consider... antoine walker is the celtics 2nd option. webber, brand, et al are first tier superstars. ....get toine.
btw, i'm not saying antoine is the "perfect fit" for the rockets. but, when you look at our roster consider this: 1) what do we have to trade? 2) who is available on the market? brand is going nowhere this offseason. brian grant is an overpaid joke with no offensive skill. pj brown? please. let's be serious. antoine walker? yes. anything above these guys is unattainable because we just don't have the ammunition to get them. anything below them is not even worth discussing.
Against Dallas, San Antonio, Sacramento, Portland, and Phionex, Boston went 1-8 in the games Walker played in. He did pretty well in a couple of those games though. I don't want another under 40% shooting player on this team playing the 4 spot. It isn't that much of an upgrade.
this thread is ridiculous! someone already mentioned the amount of shots that this guy needs to be successful. that alone shows that he's not the type of player that the rockets need. there will be more complaints about shot distribution than all of last season... and that's even thinking that mobley will be traded. : : sigh : : please stop... (finish it for me greg)
Even if he does,he just does bring us what we need at the 3...or at any position as a matter of fact! ALA
ok, for arguments sake, would you do this trade? antoine walker for maurice taylor & james posey... boston gets antonio lite in maurice taylor and also picks up a sf/sg that can defend the perimeter and hit an open j. houston gets an upgraded motay with only 2 years left on his contract...plus gets from under motay's contract.
yall telling me that walker shoots alot of three's and has some inside game, well eddie shoots alot of threes and he has no inside game, who has the better shooting %, or can we move eddie to SF like Dirk plays sometimes, he would do better then. BUT GET SOME NEW TALENT NEXT YEAR. this is who im keeping my eye on for a possible trade or signing. J. Will (memphis) J. Craw Elton Brand Andre Miller J. Will (chicago) Pau Gasol Toni Parker And please do not trade Mobley he would be a stud just get him better coaching
Walker has adjusted his role to blend with Pierce. Walker is talented, and likely available. Walker is an Ainge criticism. Walker is tough. Walker would give Yao room to ameuver in the low post. Walker has played deep (enough) in the playoffs to have 'maturity', value on that point alone. Walker's has TWO years remaining on his contract. I want Walker. So should the Rocks. But -- what will Celtics demand for him? That one is well unknown to me. Who else might 'bid' on 'toine? From the West -- ??? -- hmmm, maybe if Ainge is that motivated to move him and move him away from the East, a deal could be effected. Pursue it, Rox braintrust. Pursue this guy.
i thought i addressed this question. his defense is average. he won't get murdered, but he won't shut you down eithe. but look at the positives (some of which xiki outlined already) Walker has adjusted his role to blend with Pierce. Walker is talented, and likely available. Walker is tough. Walker would give Yao room to ameuver in the low post. Walker has played deep (enough) in the playoffs to have 'maturity', value on that point alone. Walker's has TWO years remaining on his contract. plus... walker is a great passer walker is an outstanding ballhandler walker can play the 3 or 4 walker is durable walker is a good offcourt citizen oh... and we do need more offense. specifically, we need a new offense that gives yao ming more space to work, with players that can hit an outside shot and that are good ballhandlers.
I don't know WHY anyone else didn't think of this. A low FG% PF who doesn't have enough size and goes to the perimeter so much is EXACTLY what this team needs. How about we go after Gilbert Arenas, a PG who has not been able to balance passing and scoring, and let's also get some SG who wants to be the star and refuses to be a role player.
sane, i'll ask the same question to you that i've asked to others: what power forward is 1) on the block; and 2) attainable by the rockets also, if you're going to harp on his negatives, please address the many positives that have been listed, as well.
Please note that many trades in today's NBA are 3-way trades. I think we should seriously consider a trade involving Antoine Walker....but not to keep. The Celtics are capped out and need depth in a bad way. I would consider Cat and either Cato or Mo for Antoine Walker. I might consider Cat/Cato/EG (I'm not too enamored of EG; the bloom is off the rose) for Walker, Delk, and the #16 and #22 picks in the draft that the Celtics have. But then you would need a 3rd team to take Walker, depending on what player(s) we want/need. Walker wouldn't be the player we need at PF...not for the West; not with finesse center Yao Ming. Besides, it doesn't look like Rudy's going anywhere, and if I remember correctly, Rudy can't stand Walker.
I am not really a fan of Walker but even to entertain the idea of getting him, wouldn't that not jive with the idea of Francis and Yao taking the most shots on the team? Walker strikes me as an individual that needs the ball and needs to score to make a difference. Do we want someone (3rd star) added to this offense that is perhaps less talented (or eventually will be) than Francis and Yao taking MORE shots than Francis and Yao? Aren't we already getting on Mobley for this? Whoever we bring in has to defer to Francis and Yao and has to be able to augment THEIR games via passing, defense and moving without the ball. Is this Walker's strong suit?
getting walker for mobes and mo is a steal and if it were available we would have to be r****ded not to do it. that being said it wont happen, he is worth much more than that
Walker is the rich man's Mo Taylor. Can score, can't rebound or play D. I'd trade Taylor for Walker straight up. . . and throw in Moochie if they ask.
Just to build on ROXTXIA 3-way trade idea: Houston trades: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) Houston receives: SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 40.5 minutes) Change in team outlook: -20.5 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -0.1 apg. Boston trades: PF Antoine Walker (20.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.8 apg in 41.5 minutes) Boston receives: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) Change in team outlook: +5.8 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and -0.9 apg. Minnesota trades: SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 40.5 minutes) Minnesota receives: PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 77 games) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) PF Antoine Walker (20.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.8 apg in 78 games) Change in team outlook: +14.7 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and +1.0 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED RealGM is the devil.
