I think with the number of educated and argumentative on this board, D&D was likely to happen anyway, so I don't see anything as your fault. You've handled yourself well, so rep to you.
I see a correlation in the arguments for and against concealed handgun licenses where one side says 'all guns are bad and would only make the situation worse by antagonizing a gunman and/or potentially hitting an innocent' whereas the CHL supporters would say 'BS, if someone else was armed and properly trained (which is required for a CHL) they could have taken out the bad guy and no one else would have gotten killed.' Does that make sense? I don't know EBM's mind, of course, but perhaps he was thinking along the lines of "Okay, I moved and this guy is still coming at me verbally and now physically. Time to act and act quickly." That's how I see the scenario.
I'm trying to decide what I like most about this video: a) ghetto black guy gets knocked out b) woman filming instigates fight and steals old guy's bag c) chick with headphones doesn't react the whole time d) old man bus driver throws old guy off bus e) bus bench's message f) old guy's t-shirt
NOOOO. Although I disagree with you whole heartedly, don't change...this place needs to see the other side of the coin once in a while. You're cool, slick.
yep or "Okay, I moved and this guy is still coming at me verbally and now physically. Do I curl up into a ball or do I stand my ground and exercise my freedom of expression?" bottom line, DeeJay wanted Santa to shut up. Santa really didn't say anything that DeeJay hasn't said yet. He was simply exercising his rights to free speech and responding to what DeeJay was saying in kind.
He has a right to defend himself when attacked. I think he could have been wiser with the words he used preceding the attack to help diffuse the situation. It doesn't always pay to be passive. Some situations don't warrant it. But in this case, I think it would have been the more reasonable approach. Just my opinion. I could be wrong ... perhaps "Beatlejuice" was a lunatic who was going to pounce on him regardless. I don't really see it, but then I'm not a mind reader. It is possible.
He moved away. That was his way to diffuse the situation. Isn't that active enough for you? Do you think he moved to the front because he thinks it can give him a better angle to KO beetle?
hahaha some fool is trying to make money off this already. http://cgi.ebay.com/I-am-a-Mother**...ItemQQptZUS_CSA_MC_Shirts?hash=item23057576cb
There's three possible ways to look at it: (1) By just apologizing for the misunderstanding and not responding, the older man is showing himself to be weak. Now Beatlejuice will feel more bold and that will increase the chances of an attack. (2) "Ima put my foot up yo ass" was tough guy posturing from Beatlejuice. He was saying it because he was pissed off and felt slighted. That and he's evidently not very smart. In that situation, responses such as "Try it and I'll put my foot up your ass" exacerbates the problem. Now the other guy is even more pissed off. Chances of him snapping and making good on his threat goes up. (3) Beatlejuice was looking for a fight regardless of the older man's reactions, and the punch was basically inevitable. Unfortunately, it would be pointless for me to continue and answer your question, because we don't see eye to eye on which of the above accurately describes the situation.
I'm going to go with durvasa on this one. This isn't a bunch of kids in the schoolyard shoving each other. Normal people (and in fact I guess this guy was some PTSD/schizophrenic or something) don't act the way the gentleman did. They should (and, I think, would) both be prosecuted by any DA in the country for assault, disorderly conduct, etc. You can't simply instigate a fight and then toss the second punch and get off scott free - hell even in the NHL you get penalized for that. FYI, for reference, here is the applicable law: Search CAL. PEN. CODE § 415 : California Code - Section 415 Search by Keyword or Citation Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment and fine: (1)Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or challenges another person in a public place to fight. (2)Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another person by loud and unreasonable noise. (3)Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.
Please don't say freedom of expression and free speech.. free speech does not apply when inciting violence... And it disturbes me that we are holding a mentally ill person to the same standard as a normal person...
Really you think they both should get charged with assault? I agree with you about disorderly conduct, but the old dude has every right to defend himself after being assaulted. If DeeJay would have pulled a knife on old dude and old dude kicked his ass would it still be assault on his part? I guess my point is you always have a right to defend yourself, and this is a clear case of self defense. Self-defense is the right to use reasonable force to protect oneself or members of the family from bodily harm, or to a lesser extent, one's property, from the attack of an aggressor, if the defender has reason to believe he/she/they is/are in danger. the guy wasa clearly defending himself from bodily harm.. he also was not excessive in his defense.. IMHO
are you seriously still on this balkan thing? I really wish i knew who you were compairing me to, I'd like to see what makes you think I'm this guy.. He must have been one smart Mother ****er! :grin:
