VC- exposed?

I think he plays as much D as Steve
and once he learns to play D his competiveness will drive him to one day be a great player

 

I still think he's a stud offensive player. He is a franchise player.

Just a pity that it seems he gets injured quite a bit. If he's not sitting on the bench, he's playing through pain.

But with all the hype he recieved, unless he started winning championships, his stock was sure to drop off.

 

Raptors were 29-19 with Vince "healthy" in the first half of the season. He got hurt right before the allstar break, and was out. The Raptors then went 0-7 and he came back earlier than he should have and hurt himself more just like Jordan did. If you watched any of the games before and after you'd see how injured he was, NOT hurt, he was injured. Once he had surgery, the team knew they couldn't rely on him, so they had to step up.

To say this exposed Vince is complete and utter bull****, and I'm so sick and tired of seeing crap like this all over the internet. I hope you are around next season when Vince comes back and takes the NBA by storm like he did earlier in his career.

 

Vince doesn't play defence huh ? I guess you are buying into the media yet again. If you look at opp. FG% on head to head matchups with Vince going into February where he was hurt, he was never lite up by any SG in the NBA. Throughout the entire month of January, the opposing coaches were even saying how well Vince was playing defence.

Face it, this is just a case of kicking someone while he is down by the media and the posters around the net.

 

I fear Vince will come back with a chip on his shoulder as well

by "Learning to play D" I mean realizing defense is the difference between good players and NBA champions

I think both will figure it out

 

Want to see a pissed off Vince ?

Watch the 2000 Olympics

 

Vince is a star SG who has become injury prone and never shown any propensity to lead a team.

His Raptor teams, unless serious changes are made, will rival Dominique Wilkins' Atlanta teams of the 80s. A star who can't lead surrounding by roleplayers (in this case, overpayed).

Until Vince can learn to LEAD, he'll never get anywhere.

 

Vince is injury prone ? Ok now I've heard it all.

The guy didn't miss 1 game from high school, through college and his first 2 years as a Raptor.

Missed 7 games last year when the Raptors rested him due to a knee strain (Jumpers knee) and this year due to injury. And then this year due to tendon strain and the eventual surgery.

If that makes him injury prone, the entire NBA is injury prone.

 

who said vince is injury prone?

 

Then what do you have to say about the minions of NBA players who rarely miss games at all? Karl Malone? Michael Finley? It takes serious injuries to keep those guys out of a game.

Vince is injury-prone because he doesn't take care to rest his knee/leg/whatever when it is hurt. His dunking only amplifies the injuries and having recurring knee/leg problems in two straight years seems to suggest something is wrong, don't you think?

Players can go for many, many years and not miss a game and then go a couple of seasons with big injuries and are injury prone. Grant Hill? Yes, he's injury prone. Penny Hardaway? Very much so; plus, he's a whiner. Danny Manning? Injuries killed his career. Theo Ratliff? The past couple of years, he's been injury prone.

The common thread? Players who played many years healthy yet had a series of recurring injuries. Vince certainly falls into that group.

 

Finley has missed 13 games this season, Vince will miss 22 and had surgery. How about Ray Allen, is he injury prone now that he's run into knee trouble ? How about TMac missing all of preseason and having reoccuring back problems throughout the season. Is that because he's soft or because he uses it to much ?

C'mon thats weak and you know it.

 

Scared to shoot the big shot ? What the hell are you talking about ? Last I checked he shot the one vs the Sixers in the playoffs, won 5 last second shots this season including making 3 FTs with 0 seconds left in regulation, and numerous other occasions. Oh I guess you read SI where Barkley gets pissed after Vince passed the ball to Keon with 30 seconds left, but I guess they failed to mention he took the shot but missed and Lenny told Vince to pass inside. Unlike Francis, Vince listens to his coach.

Vince doesn't make his teammates better ? Yeah thats it

As for underachieving I guess the 300+ player games missed and every player but 2 on the Raptors being on the IR had nothing to do with it.

Wow, there goes your argument again

 

Nearly every team has 300+ player games missed. Look at the players they put on the IR. You can't use Eric Montross and Michael Stewart to make the argument here.

Who does Vince make better? Seriously. Charles Oakley was the glue behind that team that made them work; when his role was reduced and then he was eventually traded, that's when the Raptors began to decline. The Raptors are full of roleplayers; Antonio Davis is the only player who might be considered a star. Yet, all of their players seem to be flourishing without Vince in the lineup. Wonder why?

 

How is it weak? Let's start with Michael Finley, who until earlier this year had played in 490 straight games. He was on the IL for a series of games in January due to an injured hamstring. I don't know about you, but I know many atheletes tend to rely on their hamstrings to excel.

Vince has now had two very similar - and possibly related injuries. Finley? Apart from plantar fascitia that he played through in the past, this was his first hamstring injury and totally unrelated to any other injuries he's battled through in the past.

Ray Allen is also running into his first injury problems in his career. He, like Finley, has been one of the NBA's workhorses through his career and has battled the knee all year. He was actually SMART to take time off to prevent this injury from recurring later on in the season or his career - Vince missed a couple of games, yet never adapted his style of play or his game to prevent the injury from recurring.

Tracy McGrady? He has battled back problems all season that have acted up occasionally this season - but only when he has been pounded by opposing players, such as was the case versus Charlotte almost a month ago now. He has taken time off when he has had flare ups and they are under control. Note how he plays through everything else, including a badly damaged hand last season. Is he injury prone? No. Is the back a concern? No.

And is he soft? I think I sense some jealousy there, seeing as how McGrady has proven in Orlando to be better than Vince is in Toronto with a lesser supporting cast. McGrady leads his team - Vince does not. Is Vince there in the clutch? Nope. Do you ever hear Vince in regards to MVP? Nope.

The point is that Vince has seen the same injury recur two seasons in a row and even now, with his status in jeopardy for the playoffs, he is still experiencing trouble in coming back from the injury. Put all of those together and you have the makings of a player who is injury-prone. And there's not a thing he can do about it unless he changes his game.

But then the fans wouldn't like seeing layups all the time, now would they?

 

I think the Raptors look for him to take over the game too often. Not many guards/SF in the NBA can carry their team for an entire season. AD shouldn't have to "Step Up" He should be playing his ass off to begin with.

VC is just easy to pick on, he's a helluva ball player, and the only scoring option when he's in the game.

Wilkins couldn't win with Dominique and roll players, What makes you think he can with with Vince and roll players. Think Dominique wasn't a great player? I see a pattern of Wilkins putting too much pressure on one person, too early in games.

I don't watch enough Raptors games to argue about whether or not Vince makes his teamates better or his teamates stand and watch on their own.

 

Vince played every game his entire life as well until he was forced to shut it down for a few games to rest last season due to knee problems. I don't know about you but athletes tend to rely on their knees to move. His first injury was Tendinitis of the patellar tendon, the second was a Quad tendon strain, unrelated, but thanks for trying.

"Ray Allen is also running into his first injury problems in his career. He, like Finley, has been one of the NBA's workhorses through his career and has battled the knee all year. He was actually SMART to take time off to prevent this injury from recurring later on in the season or his career - Vince missed a couple of games, yet never adapted his style of play or his game to prevent the injury from recurring."

He's taken time off, returned recently because his team has been doing bad, and guess what ? They are still losing and his knee is getting worse according to reports

"Tracy McGrady? He has battled back problems all season that have acted up occasionally this season - but only when he has been pounded by opposing players, such as was the case versus Charlotte almost a month ago now. He has taken time off when he has had flare ups and they are under control. Note how he plays through everything else, including a badly damaged hand last season. Is he injury prone? No. Is the back a concern? No."

The back is a concern because he caused the damage by trying to add weight this offseason, because of all his workouts. So if TMac can just avoid contact, he'll be alright right ?

"And is he soft? I think I sense some jealousy there, seeing as how McGrady has proven in Orlando to be better than Vince is in Toronto with a lesser supporting cast. McGrady leads his team - Vince does not. Is Vince there in the clutch? Nope. Do you ever hear Vince in regards to MVP? Nope."

Who brought up jealously or him leaving ? I don't give a **** anymore, the guy lied to everyone Oh I guess you got to resort to that to try to hide the fact your argument is flawed.

"The point is that Vince has seen the same injury recur two seasons in a row and even now, with his status in jeopardy for the playoffs, he is still experiencing trouble in coming back from the injury. Put all of those together and you have the makings of a player who is injury-prone. And there's not a thing he can do about it unless he changes his game."

Different injuries, see above. He just had his first surgery of his life just 2 weeks ago, and it was said he'd have to be in rehab a long time because some of the damage could not be repaired surgerically. When he was told he needed surgery the team said he'd be out the season and wouldn't return till camp, so whats changed since then ? It was never planned for him to return for the playoffs, this is a long term plan.


"But then the fans wouldn't like seeing layups all the time, now would they?"

At least people show up to the games

 

No way is Toronto better without Vince, that is just silly sensationalism.

They are better without an injured, shell-of-himself, Vince who is still expected to carry the team. But healthy? Amusing.

Don't worry, Loogie, I also remember times when Vince was clutch and won games pretty much by himself.

I don't think he is injury prone, he just has had a bad year. Vince trying to come back early, despite not being ready, shows that he is fairly tough and cared about his team (until he realized that he wa not really helping himself or the team).

Hell, Francis gets hurt more than Vince and I don't really consider him injury prone.

And, no, I don't particularly like Carter, I just don't think this bashing is justified.