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Vaccine Skeptics

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  1. TeamUSA

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_re_us/vaccine_skeptics

    By STEVE LeBLANC, Associated Press Writer
    Thu Oct 18, 4:21 AM ET



    BOSTON - Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt from the vaccinations required to enter preschool.


    She is among a small but growing number of parents around the country who are claiming religious exemptions to avoid vaccinating their children when the real reason may be skepticism of the shots or concern they can cause other illnesses. Some of these parents say they are being forced to lie because of the way the vaccination laws are written in their states.

    "It's misleading," Rahim admitted, but she said she fears that earlier vaccinations may be to blame for her son's autism. "I find it very troubling, but for my son's safety, I feel this is the only option we have."

    An Associated Press examination of states' vaccination records and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that many states are seeing increases in the rate of religious exemptions claimed for kindergartners.

    "Do I think that religious exemptions have become the default? Absolutely," said Dr. Paul Offit, head of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and one of the harshest critics of the anti-vaccine movement. He said the resistance to vaccines is "an irrational, fear-based decision."

    The number of exemptions is extremely small in percentage terms and represents just a few thousand of the 3.7 million children entering kindergarten in 2005, the most recent figure available.

    But public health officials say it takes only a few people to cause an outbreak that can put large numbers of lives at risk.

    "When you choose not to get a vaccine, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making a choice for the person sitting next to you," said Dr. Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division.

    All states have some requirement that youngsters be immunized against such childhood diseases as measles, mumps, chickenpox, diphtheria and whooping cough.

    Twenty-eight states, including Florida, Massachusetts and New York, allow parents to opt out for medical or religious reasons only. Twenty other states, among them California, Pennsylvania, Texas and Ohio, also allow parents to cite personal or philosophical reasons. Mississippi and West Virginia allow exemptions for medical reasons only.

    From 2003 to 2007, religious exemptions for kindergartners increased, in some cases doubled or tripled, in 20 of the 28 states that allow only medical or religious exemptions, the AP found. Religious exemptions decreased in three of these states — Nebraska, Wyoming, South Carolina — and were unchanged in five others.

    The rate of exemption requests is also increasing.

    For example, in Massachusetts, the rate of those seeking exemptions has more than doubled in the past decade — from 0.24 percent, or 210, in 1996 to 0.60 percent, or 474, in 2006.

    In Florida, 1,249 children claimed religious exemptions in 2006, almost double the 661 who did so just four years earlier. That was an increase of 0.3 to 0.6 percent of the student population. Georgia, New Hampshire and Alabama saw their rates double in the past four years.

    The numbers from the various states cannot be added up with accuracy. Some states used a sampling of students to gauge levels of vaccinations. Others surveyed all or nearly all students.

    Fifteen of the 20 states that allow both religious and philosophical exemptions have seen increases in both, according to the AP's findings.

    While some parents — Christian Scientists and certain fundamentalists, for example — have genuine religious objections to medicine, it is clear that others are simply distrustful of shots.

    Some parents say they are not convinced vaccinations help. Others fear the vaccinations themselves may make their children sick and even cause autism.

    Even though government-funded studies have found no link between vaccines and autism, loosely organized groups of parents and even popular cultural figures such as radio host Don Imus have voiced concerns. Most of the furor on Internet message boards and Web sites has been about a mercury-based preservative once used in vaccines that some believe contributes to neurological disorders.

    Unvaccinated children can spread diseases to others who have not gotten their shots or those for whom vaccinations provided less-than-complete protection.

    In 1991, a religious group in Philadelphia that chose not to immunize its children touched off an outbreak of measles that claimed at least eight lives and sickened more than 700 people, mostly children.

    And in 2005, an Indiana girl who had not been immunized picked up the measles virus at an orphanage in Romania and unknowingly brought it back to a church group. Within a month, the number of people infected had grown to 31 in what health officials said was the nation's worst outbreak of the disease in a decade.

    Rachel Magni, a 35-year-old stay-at-home mother in Newton, Mass., said she is afraid vaccines could harm her children and "overwhelm their bodies." Even though she attends a Protestant church that allows vaccinations, Magni pursued a religious exemption so her 4-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son, who have never been vaccinated, could attend preschool.

    "I felt that the risk of the vaccine was worse than the risk of the actual disease," she said.

    Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center, one of the leading vaccine skeptic groups, said she discourages parents from pursuing religious exemptions unless they are genuine. Instead, Fisher said, parents should work to change the laws in their states.

    "We counsel that if you do not live in a state that has a philosophical exemption, you still have to obey the law," she said.

    Even so, Fisher said, she empathizes with parents tempted to claim the religious exemption: "If a parent has a child who has had a deterioration after vaccination and the doctor says that's just a coincidence, you have to keep vaccinating this child, what is the parent left with?"

    Offit said he knows of no state that enforces any penalty for parents who falsely claim a religious exemption.

    "I think that wouldn't be worth it because that's just such an emotional issue for people. Our country was founded on the notion of religious freedom," he said.

    In 2002, four Arkansas families challenged the state's policy allowing religious exemptions only if a parent could prove membership in a recognized religion prohibiting vaccination. The court struck down the policy and the state began allowing both religious and philosophical exemptions.

    Religious and medical exemptions, which had been climbing, plummeted, while the number of philosophical exemptions spiked.

    In the first year alone, more parents applied for philosophical exemptions than religious and medical exemptions combined. From 2001 to 2004, the total number of students seeking exemptions in Arkansas more than doubled, from 529 to 1,145.

    Dr. Janet Levitan, a pediatrician in Brookline, Mass., said she counsels patients who worry that vaccines could harm their children to pursue a religious exemption if that is their only option.

    "I tell them if you don't want to vaccinate for philosophical reasons and the state doesn't allow that, then say it's for religious reasons," she said. "It says you have to state that vaccination conflicts with your religious belief. It doesn't say you have to actually have that religious belief. So just state it."
     
  2. hotballa

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    I think it's real important to do vaccination, but I have to say that after seeing my 10 month old niece get seriously ill from a flu shot, it gives me pause for concern when I have kids.
     
  3. TeamUSA

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    Here's my personal story:

    I never had a flu until last year. When I came here to the US almost 9 years ago, I thhought flu was only for kids. The first 7 years was ok, never get a flushot, no illness. In 2005 the company that I worked for sponsored a free flushot so I had one. Then in 2006, I didn't get one cuz there was no free and I got very very sick for over 2 weeks. It was terrible. I was thinking, that flushot messed up my immune system. Now I have to get a flushot every year. This year on the same month that i had my first flu, I took double dosage of Vit C to avoid getting sick again. I still got it but not as bad as the first one.

    I always try to avoid presciption drugs especially antibiotics. I also have a 5month old kid and he got some ezcema.. The pedia gave us already 3 diffrent ointments but they all didn't work. Finally,after my own research, I came across to this natural cures website adn it told me to use olive oil instead every 3 hours. It worked.

    "let thy food be thy medicine and let thy medicine be thy food". -hippcrates
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    The autism from vaccinations rumor has little scientific proof, if any.

    People who don't get vaccinations are taking a very silly gamble.
     
  5. kokopuffs

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    Don't really see the problem with it.
     
  6. surrender

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    I do. We rely on compulsory vaccinations to provide herd immunity, which lessens the spread of and sometimes outright eradicates certain illnesses. When schoolkids spend all day in an environment which is conducive to spreading illnesses, by virtue of close contact with many peers and a lack of knowledge of proper hygiene, compulsory vaccination is extremely important.

    There are valid medical reasons to opt out of vaccinations, but to use autism as an excuse is dishonest and dangerous.
     
  7. hotballa

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    I htink things like measesl, chicken pox etc., vaccines that have been proven to not cause any problems that I'm aware of should be given to everyone without exemption. Flu shots and the like though, I'm not so crazy about.
     
  8. Rashmon

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    If these children get sick, I hope the first people they transfer the illness to is their parents.

    If they refuse to obtain the vaccinations required for school, they should not be admitted. Their right to put their child's health in danger ends with my right to protect the health of my child.
     
  9. TeamUSA

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    Well, if you really believe that vaccines work, why would you be afraid of having a sick child in the classroom?
     
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    getting sick after a vaccine is an unfortunate side effect. however vaccines have proven to be highly effective.
     
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    True, so some would rebut: How come the increase in autism diagnosis? Well as recent as 25-30 years ago autistic children usually fell under the r****ded category. Do the research and the r****ded diagnosis have decreased.
     
  12. surrender

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    I don't see how that's a worthwhile argument, because some countries have had mandatory vaccination policies since the 1800's

    Oh, and causation does not equal correlation
     
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    Flu vaccine is usually made of weaken live flu virus. These virus may cause no symptom for most of us and some mild flu symptom others. For a small fraction of people, the reaction to these weakened virus may still be very bad. But for these individuals, if they caught the real thing, the symptom might have been devastating.
     
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    HUH? i think you got it backwards. correlation =/ causation, but causation = correlation.
     
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    I dunno. But the evidence showing a connection between vaccines and autism does not exist.
     
  16. hotballa

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    I'm sorry, but where's the medical back for this?
     
  17. Rashmon

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    You obviously don't understand how a vaccine works. Do some research.
     
  18. cson

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    This is exactly what Im saying.

    re-read, rinse, repeat.
     
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    which page?


    BTW I caught this on page 11

    "Therefore, further exploration of the
    safety and cost–effectiveness of introducing influenza
    vaccination into national immunization programmes
    is clearly warranted."
     

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