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V-Tech Shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Sishir Chang, Apr 16, 2007.

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  1. wnes

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    Chicago Sun Times earlier reported the gunman was Chinese. It had me worried as well.
     
  2. halfbreed

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    Why? It's not like America was going to ban Chinese people from the country or put them in internment camps because of this incident.

    It's not like South Koreans are now going to be unable to walk around the country. Why would you be worried?
     
  3. nyquil82

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    Chinese people are thankful that he was Korean instead of Chinese.

    Black people are thankful that he was Chinese instead of Black.

    Hispanic people are thankful that he was an Asian immigrant instead of being a Mexican immigrant.
     
  4. bnb

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    I'm just thankful he's dead.
     
  5. johnrox

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    exactly, how ridiculous. am i going to look at my korean friends now with a different eye? unbelievable statement to even make
     
  6. MR. MEOWGI

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    Well wasn't recently an illegal immigrant who killed some people while DWI? Somehow the deaths were blamed on him being an illegal immigrant. Rationality is not what people are worried about.
     
  7. pirc1

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    Exactly.
     
  8. Sam18

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    Well said.
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    I find this mildly ironic after reviewing some of your posts earlier in the thread.
     
  10. MR. MEOWGI

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    I do not trust many people anyone to be rational, especially 21 year old college kids with guns.
     
  11. Falcons Talon

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    Why not go with the CTAC slide. That what I have. I also use a Galco M7X.

    In church or work clothes, I have my ankle holster. I also have an ankle strap that carries 2 14 rd mags.
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    You must have missed the other pics of my actual holster.
     
  13. Falcons Talon

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    Probably did...I have a lot of catching up to do.
     
  14. SageHare6

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    Like wnes said, it was originally reported that the dude was Chinese by the name of Wayne Chiang.

    HONG KONG: Wayne Chiang has had quite a traumatic day. For over 12 hours on Monday, virtually all of America believed that the 23-year-old, a US citizen of Chinese descent, was the gunman who had mowed down 32 people at the Virginia Tech University, including two Indians. Picking up on blog chatter that jumped to erroneous conclusions, TV stations across the US cited his name as the suspected killer. Chiang received an avalanche of death threats on his livejournal, his family is quaking in fear, his siblings have had to had skip school…

    “It’s been very chaotic, I can tell you that,” Chiang told DNA in a telephone interview from Washington DC, “What really blows my mind is the death threat.”

    At the time of the killings, Chiang was 250 miles away, in Washington DC. But he was erroneously linked to the shooting by a string of eerie coincidences. “I matched the profile exactly,” he acknowledges. “I believe they gave out a five-point description of the suspect, and I matched them all. I’m of Asian descent, I graduated from Virginia Tech, I used to live in the campus building where the first shooting happened, I recently broke up with my girlfriend, and I collect guns.”

    Just two days before the shooting, Chiang, an ardent advocate of the right to bear arms, had posted pictures of himself on his livejournal, posing with his armoury of semi-automatic weapons and Russian rifles. In March, he broke up with his girlfriend Janice. Since initial reports of the massacre suggested that the killer was a jilted lover of Asian descent, the needle of suspicion seemed — for some — to point to Chiang. And TV networks, drawn to the sensational story, momentarily let down their guard, and got caught up in the rush to judgement. Chiang realised that something was up when traffic to his blog surged. “Everyone’s trying to look for a scapegoat. I don’t blame them: we all did it after 9/11; it’s our way of coping.”

    Only after Chiang proclaimed his innocence on his blog — “I am not the shooter,” he posted — did the chatter thin down. Sticking to his guns, literally, Chiang says he has no reason to feel apologetic about posting the controversial pictures on his web journal. “I don’t regret those pictures. I believe in my Second Amend Rights (to bear arms), and I freely express it; it is my way of expressing my patriotism as an American.”

    In fact, argues Chiang, the massacre wouldn’t have happened if students at the Virginia Tech University had had the right to carry concealed weapons. “The university has prohibited the carrying of concealed weapons. Students who carry arms face expulsion. Given the description of what happened on Monday, I sincerely believe that if the students had been armed, this could have ended a lot sooner.”


    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1091543

    Now check this link out... http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/187444.php
    Toward the bottom, there's "comments" made about the article... a few of which are disturbing comments imo. Honestly, I know that some people lump together all Asians. I wish it weren't the case, but these people exist. And 'yes' I do believe that these people will start judging Asians differently, if not, reinforce their attitudes of hate. These people may not frequent the Clutchfans boards, but per the articles written, I'm sure this wrongly accused student has gotten his fair share of racially charged hate mail.

    theSAGE
     
  15. Sishir Chang

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    You don't know until you are in that situation and as I said before if I'm in that situation I don't know if I'll act or poop in my pants. That said there have been cases of guns being taken away from people trying to protect themselves and used against them and others. That can't happen with built in physical skills.

    I don't know what martial arts training you've had but I suspect not much since you weren't aware that many martial arts include grappling skills but weapons disarmament techniques when studied and applied are very affective. I've worked on techniques using water pistols and in almost every instance can disarm someone without getting wet. Further are you going to carry a gun 24/7? A gun does you no good when its not at hand but your physical skills are always there with me.

    As for the Green Beret's comments I agree and tell people the same thing myself. Avoidance is the most part of self-defense since a lot of things could go wrong so you're better off turning over your money. The same things applies if you have a gun and they have a weapon on you. The time it takes you to draw your gun you could be shot, stabbed or wounded in some way also. What we are talking about is a situation where the person is already attacking at that point you have nothing to lose by defending yourself.

    I'm not talking about charging with fist flailing although barring anything else if you're going to die anyway do what you can. As for creating less distance if you are within 10 feet and someone is trying to shoot you you should close the distance as that is the only way you can hope to take them out.

    A panicked person with a gun firing in a crowded classroom is more likely to hit bystanders than the assailant.
     
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    Making a racial thing out of this is ridiculous. The guy was angry loner with a grudge and guns. Its not like there aren't people of all races who fit that profile.
     
  17. Deckard

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    Agree. And making this about gun control and carrying firearms, instead of the tragedy and what actions the campus might have done to reduce or prevent some of the carnage is a bit off base as well, IMO. And I'm not some ardent anti-gun dude.



    D&D. Bummer. Totally.
     
  18. Sishir Chang

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    I agree my gun knowledge doesn't compare to yours but with all due respect I don't think your knowledge of hand to hand self-defense techniques compares to mine.

    The holsters you show are interesting but I am still curious how do you secure them? How possible is it for the weapon to be taken away or to slip out while running or scrambling for cover? I admit I'm not familiar with them but I know why police use and most holsters use straps to secure them to keep them from being taken away or losing them during a foot chase. For that matter even without a strap how quickly can you draw a concealed gun under clothing or in a purse?

    Also do you carry a loaded and unsecured gun with you 24/7?
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    While I tend to agree, there is some truth to the racial thing...I was speaking to a S. Korean co-worker and he said that he wished that the guy was from another race as now, rightly or wrongly, S. Koreans would be perceived as bad, loner people...

    Not sure its true, but some people are ignorant enough to think this way...
     
  20. Sishir Chang

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    Guns are an unavoidable issue though since this was carried out with guns and from what little we are finding out now apparently legally purchased guns.

    I don't believe we should ban guns and will stand by the 2nd Ammendment as much as the rest of the Constitution but the fact that a massacre like this was conducted with a legal weapon shows that there is a danger in making more guns available as that means not only law abiding people but also potentially violent people have more access.

    At the sametime as I've been saying in my posts is guns aren't the end all of self-defense and themselves can make a self-defense situation more dangerous. I don't begrudge people getting a gun for self-defense but I wouldn't count on it as guarenteeing safety.
     
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