for those defending UoP, sure it might be an okay school if you're pursuing a bachelor's degree. but pursuing a doctorate degree online is a waste of time IMO, just because performing research is the most integral aspect of your doctoral education. you need a brick and mortar school which offers the resources to conduct at least respectable research.
Oh I know that she is. That's my point. Mensa member up there said that if they saw UoP on a resume, they would automatically dismiss the person from consideration, which is just plain stupid and pisses me off.
I have agree that it's tough to take a UofP degree seriously. It screams of buying a degree off of eBay. It doesn't have any prestige associated with it. In fact it's probably worth between a GED and an associates.
I agree, but the time is not quite there. It will be respected when the Ivie's offer online degrees, which may be coming.
If person A gets a degree from a brick and mortar university and person B gets the same degree from an online university, both accredited institutions, why should one mean more than the other? Why should person B get passed over for positions? Is there one legitimate reason that the two cannot be considered equal? Just talking normal Bachelor's degree or less here. I've done both and I can tell you that accredited online programs are no joke.
I am doing my MBA at George Washington University (a top 50 school) and I live in Albuquerque, NM. It's completely online, I never need to go to DC except for graduation. What I don't understand about the U of P supporters is that well respected colleges like Arizona State, Florida State, Penn State, GW etc. offer MBA's for example completely online. Why take the risk of UofP when you can get that degree you want from AZ State instead? My diploma won't say "Online" on it. It will look like I went to school there and anyone I send my resume to will never be the wiser. Not that the online program is any easier. The prestige of a school is dependent on how selective it is. This is why the Ivies get so much respect, only the best get in. Their curriculum isn't going to make you a genius compared to even a UofPer. But people respect the degree more because of how difficult it was to gain admission. I can imagine getting accepted to UofP is as difficult as filling out an application and handing over some cash. That is why it will never be as respected.
Wow, feel the hate. I have to agree with Nero. Phoenix has several brick and mortar campuses in the Houston area. They just built one on I-45 in The Woodlands that I pass from time to time. They're not just an online school, that's just an option like at any other school these days. I think admissions are pretty open but that's the case at a lot of schools if I recall, at least when I was applying. Maybe it's tighter now but I doubt it takes a whole lot of genius to get into the Sam Houstons of the world, not that I'm picking on them or anything. Also, most of the students at Phoenix are people who already have college credit. Typically they're people who work full time jobs and are trying to finish degrees. They're not college freshmen taking English, more like Juniors taking business courses. As for prestige, that's kind of a lame argument. College is always what you make of it. Also, unlike UH or UT or Rice, the students at Phoenix aren't there because they didn't "get in" somewhere else, they're there for the format the school allows. Anyways, there are morons at every school and it's probably no different at Phoenix except that everyone there has a full time job and they don't miss class because they drank too much the night before.
That's how it is at a lot of schools though. At most colleges these days you don't even need a high school diploma, a GED will do. Let's not kid ourselves, nearly every university is out to make money one way or another, I see it every freaking day.
UoP is a FOR-PROFIT university. I doubt they turn to many people away unless they can't pay. And flunking people out, probably not much of that going on either. Buyer beware. Their parent company is traded on the NASDAQ symbol APOL
Was your first question a "necessary post? It was an extension of your joke. You posed the snide and overall thread sentiment question , is the UoP really even valid in its own state? I thought it was funny, and thought I could contribute the same thing in building off of yours. Did I kill it? Did you get it and not think it was funny? I really wanna know, because most of the posts in the hangout are built upon similarly within the, text, context, and subtext of a thread. Unless, it was a serious question........... Therefore, I am sure that my response was at least kinda necessary. From the poster whose name I forgot, ......"we're not exactly shooting for the moon here". With your logic, I would go as far to say that you have caused, not one, not two, not three,but ffoouuurrrrr unnecessary posts.
If the school is that great why didn't she get her masters from there nero? im sure there are intelligent people, I was in no way trying to insult you or your wife. All I'm saying is that from what I have seen its not well respected in the business world. Its not the kind of school you see on a resume and say "oh my god, we have to bring this one in." If your going to spend money on a degree online, go to a school that isn't known for its pop up adds. look at the requirements to get in. ANYONE can get in that school.
Well even among brick & mortar schools, some people will look at an A from Harvard and an A from Colorado State (just randomly picked that school, no offense) differently. And while I don't doubt the curriculum at UoP is challenging, the truth is there are HR people, managers, etc who have preconceptions about it. It may not be fair, but it's the reality. As for a PhD, I can't speak about the psychology field. But half of my friends (including my wife) have a PhD in the medical/biology fields and it seems to be all about research and networking at conferences.
Just pick ITT like every other dropout does. And, I checked, and they do have a brand new campus... An old shopping center in Clear Lake.
They didn't have online classes when I went to school, and I'm 34. I think it's only reasonable to expect a bias against that sort of degree when you're referring to recruiters/interviewers that are older than that. I think a traditional education, or even an online education at an established institution from the brick-and-mortar era, is going to be received more favorably by many. If you are looking at the name value of the institution, University of Phoenix doesn't have much prestige built up. Nero, did you say your wife went twice a week for 2 years and got an bachelor's degree?
Dnjndmrc5, Speaking as someone with a large knowledge base of the field of I/O Psychology, you have to ask yourself what you want to be doing with the degree after you finish it. Here are your options as Ph.D. in I/O Psych. 1.) Become a faculty member and teach. Unfortunately, coming from UoP will get you ZERO respect in the academic world unless it is accompanied by massive publications. And, unless I've heard differently, I rarely hear UoP getting any type of respect in the research world (a world I was part of for some time). 2.) Work in the world. Unfortunately, in I/O, unless you want to do some type of R&D work or work for a research based organization (i.e., PDI or PDRI), many organizations look to hire Master students much more than Ph.D. because some feel Ph.D. students lack the practicality of the business world (i.e., you do research all day and have very little real world experience). In this case, a Ph.D. really is unnecessary and you could get a MA/MS in less than half the time and probably end up making the same amount of money. All in all, I would never be one to judge someone for going to a particular institution for higher learning. However, you need to seriously evaluate your goals and what you want to do with your I/O degree. Ultimately, going to a place like UoP could be good (I know nothing of their program) but that all depends on the type of work you want to do. Goodluck and let me know if you want more info. on the field itself.
Yes, approximately. She just finished her Bauer MBA after about 3 years, and that was after taking a year off from school after UoP, so I don'r remember exactly how long it took.. all I know is, every Monday and Thursday night, for a long time.. she never took any courses online. Now I am not saying that UoP is the greatest school out there. It's not. But it is by no means the worst, and it is not the joke some people make it out to be. Like I said, you want to see a joke, check out LeTourneau. My point is simply that if an HR person is responsible for finding the best available employees for their company, and they are automatically eliminating candidates from consideration without even another thought simply because they see UoP on the resume, then that HR person is a moron and should be fired. She has worked full time all her adult life. She finally decided she wanted her degree, so, at age 37 she enrolled in UoP, terrified that she wouldn't be able to manage it. But on the contrary, she was always tops in her class - what she had learned about professionalism and work ethic over the years translated directly to her studies. When she was done getting her undergrad, she realized she liked it, and wanted to get into the corporate counsel world, after working as the right hand of attorneys for 15 years. And so was accepted at Bauer, and is studying for her LSAT as we speak. And it was all possible because UoP was available for a person with a full time job and they had solid courses, good professors usually, they are accredited, and it was a good fit for her. And it's not like she has been in a job hunt - she is as rock-solid employed as a person can be - but it absolutely pisses the hell out of me to see ignorant people out there disparaging people who went to the trouble to get their degree while still working and taking care of their families.
