our #1 pick + Cuttino Mobley for... Antawn Jamison? Theo Ratliff? Keith Van Horn? Michael DoLeac + Corey Maggette? Wally Szczerbiak + William Avery? [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited March 25, 2000).]
Antawn Jamison-I'd love it, but G State has Hughes, who is very similar to Cuttino Theo Ratliff-He's not much better than Cato, so why trade our #2 scorer, and a high pick for him? Keith Van Horn-He lacks toughness to play down low, and quickness to guard SFs...I don't see him fitting and clicking in our offense Michael DoLeac + Corey Maggette-Maggette is the Magic's future, so it's highly unlikely he'll be traded, this wouldn't be bad though. Wally Szczerbiak + William Avery-I'd say the Rockets come on the short end. Avery is a PG, so he gets nearly no PT, Szcerbiak isn't a really athletic player, which is what our team is gearing towards. We'd be slighted in this deal. Cuttino cannot be traded unless it's a sign and trade, that's just the way it is, so it's not worth even putting him into deals. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
Theo Ratliff-He's not much better than Cato, so why trade our #2 scorer, and a high pick for him? !!!!!?????!!!! [NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE THEO RATLIFF/JEROME WILLIAMS FAN CLUB] Kelvin Cato wishes he was almost as good as Theo Ratliff! Theo is everything Kelvin will never be because he doesn't have the damn heart. Theo is a monster defender in the low post, can run the floor, and is an excellent shot-blocker. He's about 6'10, but his long arms make him closer to about 7'6. Theo has a reliable post-up game (unlike the awkward Cato) and a decent mid-range jumper. Ratliff is a physical specimen, and can jump through the roof. This guy is the real deal...I would trade Mobes+Cato+lotto pick for him. ------------------ "Sources tell me that the Blazers held a team meeting after the two losses..." - "Pistol" Pete Vescey with the inside scoop.
Mobes + CATO AND LOTTERY PICK? I wouldnt do it at all. Maybe if the pick was a second rounder and we get phillys pick. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
this is what i'm hoping , tim duncan say he wont resign with the spurs and then on draft day they trade him for bryce drew and our first pick plus maybe cato. ------------------ johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis. dan roan: why!!!!! johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.
HAHAH.. This is funny. Guys if you want to get something good you gotta give something good. Bryce Drew plus our pick and Cato will not get you Duncan. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
well, thanks Mr. President. But Ratliff is SOOO good, I think we need to throw in Francis too, ya know? Francis needs more hops. Well, don't say we could never get Duncan for that. In fact, that could possibly be too much. Let me remind you, that it would be a sign and trade deal, and have sign and trade deals ever been equal? Usually it's for a draft pick, etc. What did the Bulls get in the Pippen trade? Roy Rogers and a 2nd rounder. What about the Magic in the Penny Hardaway trade? (to Phoenix) I think a future first rounder. Just my input, and some food for thought. But first, Duncan would have to want to come here, and say Houston or bust to San Antonio. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
I think Cuttino would approve a S&T deal to Philly to be close to junior. Ratliff is a more complete player than Cato but I think they would make a great 4-5 combo on the floor defensively. SF: use Detroit's pick (Carrawell?) PF: Ratliff C: Cato PG: Francis SG: Anderson Also I think Szczerbiak is pretty athletic. Or at least he looked like it when he came to Compaq Center 3 weeks ago. And the Magic got Pat Garrity for Penny and he's a pretty good player. [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited March 26, 2000).]
outlaw-wait there. Sign and trades are for teams who want to sign the player(s) for more money. I didn't know Philly was in the Cuttino Mobley sweepstakes? If I'm not mistaken, for sign and trades, you can only trade the player you signed, because it's a 1 transaction thing. So the deal would be Ratliff for Mobley, or Ratliff+??? for Mobley. Pat Garrity is ok, but is there anyway you'd want Garrity over Penny? With the Detroit pick: anyone from Chris Porter to maybe Quentin Richardson would be available, and maybe one of the HSers if they come out ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
Cabbage come on, he is good but he is not the real deal. Everyone knows who is the real deal. Well for the ppl that dont know, KENYON IS THE REAL DEAL MARTINFIELD. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
BAH! Watch some Philly at Indiana...Ratliff is intimidating, blocking shots, and has shown a very reliable mid-range jumper. He would be perfect for our team. ------------------ no pain, no gain.
#1 (lets say it could be fizer) and cuttino for jamison ? I dont think htat would be a good trade at all. I think we're all underestimating what a good pick we may have. ------------------ "Don't they get cable in Canada ?" Keith olbermann, after watching hakeem block terry catledge's shot 5 times.
Nikestrad, are you saying that you can't put a sign-&-trade player in a package deal? If you are, I think you're wrong on that. One thing you can't do is trade a S&T player for another S&T player, but there isn't any reason you couldn't put him in a package. ------------------
Ratliff is decent. Sure, he can block shots, sure, he can score here and there. He is having a good year, perhaps his best as a pro. But he is not worth trading what was mentioned AND a lottery pick. Good God, can you say DON NELSON. Reminds me of when the Mavericks traded Jason Kidd for all crap, except Cassell, and he is gone now. ------------------ HOOP-T Hey Shaq, Acme called, and they want their bricks back!
Michael Finley is crap? I don't think so. I'd take him over Kidd even. Ratliff would score more if he wasn't playing with "There's no I(verson) in Team". Plus Theo earns cool points for his answer to the final question on this page: http://www.nba.com/interactive/mailbox/00521858.html Jamison is a good young player. I'm not saying he's equal to Vince but he was playing very well this year before getting hurt. Just because a player is taken high doesn't mean he's going to be a superstar. Look at the 1997 draft. Chauncey Billups (#3), Antonio Daniels (#4) and Tony Battie (#5) are all busts and before the draft a few scouts were saying Battie might even be a better NBA player than Duncan. [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited March 27, 2000).]
Wait a second, wasn't Micheal Finley part of all that "crap". Not saying the trade wasn't in the Suns favor, but they gave up some serious steak in the deal as well. --oops, Outlaw beat me to this point. But no Finley isn't worth Kidd (unless the latter has broken ankles). The second best point guard who destroys defenses is worth more than a top 6 swing man who is a terrific all around player but isn't so dominant he can carry an offense). I agree with Cabbage that Ratlif would be a great addittion, but Mobley, Cato and the #1 is too much. Subtract one of the three parts and we are in the ball park (say if the pick is 6 or 7). Think about it this way, if Ratliff were being drafted this year or last year he would probably go 3 to 5, he is not a franchise player, but a very, very solid player who brings a lot to the table. I don't see that Phily would want Mobley though, unless a 3-way deal is involved, they already have the "gold model" of Mobley in Iverson. I think about 80 or 90% of the other teams in the league would salivate over Mobley though. [This message has been edited by sir scarvajal (edited March 27, 2000).]
well I was thinking Mobley could eventually take Snow's place in the starting line-up with Iverson. I don't think Philly can get very far with their short backcourt. Check out Finley's stats this year. They are very Drexler-esque. 22.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 1.35 steals. Ok, maybe he's not as good statiscally as Kidd but I guess it's just a matter of preference of position. I think the SF/SG spot is more integral to winning than the PG. Finley can (and probably will) opt-out of his contract in 2001, the same year we get to use Hakeem's cap space. I think he is who they should target next summer with that $10 million+ [This message has been edited by outlaw (edited March 27, 2000).]
Juan-I can't think of any cases where a sign and trade person was put in a package, so I'd be pretty sure you can't. I think of the Pippen deal, and Penny first come to mind ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
outlaw--Philly's "small" backcourt really isn't that small. Although Iverson is only 6-0, Snow is the same height as Mobley (6-4) and actually might be bigger than that. Plus, Snow is a much better POINT GUARD than Mobley could ever be. He doesn't need to shoot the ball much. Mobley would take too many shots away from Iverson, and they play the SAME position. I think Philly would rather have Snow than Mobley. ------------------
