With all these garbage threads being started by newbies, I feel like one of us has to change things. Here's the proposal: we bring in Shane Battier. Why, Baqui99, you ask? The guy brings everything to the floor that the Rockets lack. Seriously, this guy would be a perfect fit on the Rockets. A 3 who plays tough D, can hit the mid-range jumper, doesn't demand the ball, and is an awesome leader. He'd be a perfect compliment to Cat and Steve, my apologies to Fat Rice. He showed that he knows how to win during his days at Duke. It's a damn shame that superstud Drew Gooden's eating up all his minutes this year. If you do a numbers comparison between this year and last, you can see the kind of effect that Gooden's had on Battier. Look at this: --- FG --- --- FT --- -- 3PT -- REBOUNDS YEAR MIN ATT PCT ATT PCT ATT PCT OFF TOT AST STL BLK PF PTS 01-02 39.7 12.3 42.9 3.6 70.0 3.5 37.3 2.3 5.4 2.8 1.6 1.0 14.4 02-03 27.5 7.0 37.1 1.5 86.7 1.4 7.1 1.2 4.1 1.1 1.8 0.6 1.3 6.6 The most glaring stat here is that his minutes have dropped from 39.7 to 27.5. Not only that, but his shot attempts are down from 12.3 to 7.0 per night. The Grizzlies are simply not utilizing him in their system. Now the hard part is figuring how to get him here. Clearly, Rudy and CD have labeled Steve, Cat, Eddie, and Yao our "core" and are thus untouchable. Therefore in order to even get the Grizzlies to consider this deal we'd have to include Kenny Thomas, Bostjan Nachbar, or Moochie Norris. In order for this deal to be beneficial to both sides, we'd probably have to include 2 of the latter players. One obstacle maybe that the Grizz are just as stacked at the F spot as we are. Right now they have Swift, Gasol, Battier, and Gooden manning the 2 forward spots. These guys don't really complement each other well. Nachbar could be the inside-outside guy that the Grizz are missing. They've already had some success with Gordon Giricek (from Croatia). Why not bring another sharp-shooting Euro? What do ya'll think. How would you like to see Battier next to Steve, Cat, Mo, and Ming?
I thought about that as well. Sounds very interesting to me. Can someone check on RealGM if anything with Kenny and/or Moochie works cap-wise?
I've thought about this as well. Jerry West does not consider Battier part of his core and will likely trade him at the right time for the right price. But I'm not optimistic about getting him, and I'd rather see what T-Mo can do before I trade for his Duke rival. TMo also has an all-around game, good D, etc. His shooting has always been suspect, but it was good during preseason (of course, that's preseason). TMo's not a leader, but he's still the type of complementary player the Rocks need at SF. We have so much depth at SF. If management pulls the trigger on a deal, I'll assume they have their reasons, but right now, I'd like to give each of our guys a chance to prove themselves before I look outside the roster for help.
interesting trade idea, but where would Boki fit in if Battier comes here. Besides, we'd have to give them a good center or a point guard for Battier. I agree with you on the point that Swift, Gooden, Swift and Gasol can't play at the same time. Each of them are young and have been playing like studs. But I don't know if Memphis would trade Battier for Moochie or Cato + 1st round pick. Now that I think abou it, Memphis is definitely gonna be a lottery team and having two 1st round picks gives them a good chance to pick up 2 of the up coming draftees: lebron james (Bye bye Micheal Dickerson), Kirk Hinrich, Steve Blake, Chris Duhon, Nick Collison. So maybe they might trade for the rock's 1st round pick.
It doesn't. Because Memphis and Houston are both over the cap...the 115% rule comes into effect. I couldn't find ANY trades that would involve players we'd be willing to give up that would work to get Battier here. If somebody else can I'd love to hear it. I think Battier would be a great fit.
Francis Mobley Battier Griffin Ming sounds pretty good. Battier is a good play maker also, he's always setting picks and hustles like its his last game. He'd be good for the rockets. I know Jerry West ain't too keen on Jason Williams, if they do get rid of Battier...expect Williams to be part of the package for a stud point guard. But I don't think Battier and Williams is worth Francis and I am pretty sure alot of you guys would agree. Williams would just bring down the team and the rockets would have to look else where for leadership. just wait til Jan and see how Boki and Griffin are developing, then try some trade ideas.
I don't know what we have, the Grizz would want. Other than Francis, Mobley, or Ming. They have too many decent players. They will probably look to trade the excess depth for a star-quality player. I doubt they will trade Battier for an equal player. They will most likely look to package Battier and other decent young players like Dickerson, Swift, Wright, etc for a very good player.
Cipherous: Sorry, dude, they already have our 1st round pick this year as part of the Francis deal. Like I said, this deal might have to include Nachbar. The Grizz already have 2 PG's in Williams and Brevin Knight. They've got Wesley Person and Giricek at the 2. Pretty sound team on paper. Just very young and disorganzed. And now Hubie Brown has to go and undo all the poor coaching that Sidney Lowe did. Refman: Where there's a will, there's a way. If the Aggies can keep RC, then I see no reason why we can't find a way to bring in Shane Battier.
First you get me all upset that I can't find a good way to get Battier here and then you hit me with an RC Slocum reference...you're brutal.
I would trade Boki in a heartbeat for Battier. Boki could end up being a better player than Battier as far as scoring goes, but the Rockets sorely need role players who can play defense, and flat out hustle. Battier would give the Rockets a huge boost. Moreoever, Battier would have more basketball "IQ" than anyone on the team. He also might be the team's instant leader. Battier is Mr. Intangibles, something we need to get over the hump.
I got a trade to work on RealGM. I don't know how anybody would like it though. Houston gets: Shane Battier Memphis gets: Kenny Thomas and Terence Morris
Not only that, but Battier isn't afraid to get in his teammates' faces if he sees something that he doesn't like. Shane might not have ever been the best player on the Duke team, but he did everything they asked of him. He always hit the big shot when they needed it, and stayed all 4 years while guys like William Avery, Maggette, and Brand all ran for the money.
If they would accept, give them kenny Tomas...and something else. Funny this just came up on my NBA live 2003 franchise, they wanted kenny for shane. i accepted..
Based on the 115% salary cap rule that Refman talked about, the only thing that comes close to working is something like Mobley/Norris for Battier/Knight or Thomas/Collier for Battier. I wouldnt do the former but I the later Im sure most of you would be in favor of.
I think the Rockets would take that because Kenny is more of a power forward anyways, and a more natural 3 woud be great. But I don't think the Grizz want Kenny, they are overloaded at that position. Maybe if it frees up cap space for them.
Hey it beats the heck outta all the "newbie" trades we have had to endure! Its seems like our little Clutchcity world got rocked with new interest of late, and not everyone has positive and smart, contributions to the BBS (not that I do). But for what its worth, I like the Kenny Thomas and Tmo for Shane deal, I love it!
Battier isn't going to be traded. It is an interesting use of time at best. West is known to keep guys like Battier around. That's how you build a team. With Gooden, they don't need Thomas. And why would they want two guys in the same basic slot as Battier... This is fantasy stuff... FART!
it doesn't solve either team's problems, Battier or Boki or KT ... Offer Cato for Swift and Battier and they might bite, but why would we?
