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Trade Exception Questions...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Believe, Feb 7, 2007.

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  1. Believe

    Believe Member

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    Yeah could someone tell me when does the TE expire, how much it is worth and can it be traded for a draft pick?

    Thanks!
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    It expires a little before the trade deadline. It cannot be traded for a pick. It is worth about 4.2 million.
     
  3. Believe

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    Thank you very much.
     
  4. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    it expires on the 15th.

    it can't be traded with another player from our team. it can't be used to trade for more than one player.

    if you are determined to come up with a trade that involves the rox getting a pick for the TE it would have to be done this way:

    rox trade the TE for an awefull player on a big contract. the other team is so greatfull that they throw in a pick.
     
  5. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Well, not exactly. The TE can be traded for a decent player making less than or equal to $4.2M. The pick would be an add-in or a separate trade.

    I definitely think the Rockets should (and probably are) exploring either (a) a trade to upgrade either the backup PG or PF/C positions (but nothing that would drastically alter the current rotation + Yao) or (b) being willing to participate in a three-way trade using the TE and Sura's contract in order to get at least a second rounder out of it.

    If the Rockets cannot manage to get a second round pick out of its TE, I will be somewhat disappointed.
     
  6. smoothie

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    i thought that's waht i said? lol i guess i wasn't that clear.

    i agree with your guess as to the rockets plans for the TE. I think they are set on adding a C/F who can help relieve some of dekes minutes until yao gets back.

    i doubt the player will be that good. no team will give up a good big for a TE, unless our pick is thrown in, in which case that player will probably not like being out of the rotation once yao gets back. so CD/morey is probably looking for a usefull scrub.

    one guy that i think would be a really nice pickup is david harrison from the pacers. he's been out of the rotation since the trade. JO, diogu, murphy, and foster are thier bigs right now. he might be available for the right price.

    they seem to have a big need for a SG. maquis daniels is the only real sg on the roster right now. i would do snyder and a second rounder for this guy. he's 7'0, 280, and in 15mpg (before the trade) he was averaging 3.6 rebs and a block to go along with about 5 points. that's a real solid young guy.
     
  7. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    What about a Bob Sura medical exception?
     
  8. Downtown

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    When is the trade deadline?
     
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    FEb 22nd?
     
  10. smoothie

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    we only get that if/when he retires due to injury. most likely this summer. it should be worth about half of his salary.

    that's why he's worth keeping around. if he calls it quits this summer, he equals $4M off the cap and $2M TE.
     
  11. jopatmc

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    He's more valuable in a trade. You trade him out for another player. You could trade him for a player/players that makes up to $4.3 million dollars, and you would retain a $3.8 trade exception for another year.
     
  12. heypartner

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    It's better than that. TE's can't be used on signed free agents. Disabled Player Exceptions can. So, we would be able to replace Sura with a straight FA signing.
     
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    i'm not following. how do you trade him and get a trade exception?
     
  14. smoothie

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    thanks for clearing that up. i knew i was forgetting something.

    knowing that, i doubt sura gets traded. this summer we will have our MLE, LLE, and a possible/probable DPE.
     
  15. DonkeyMagic

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    OT...whats the latest with snyder?
     
  16. Ziggy

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    I always thought the team could apply for the exception and force Sura to sit out the season no matter how he felt? I didnt think the player had to actually retire from the game, simply miss a season?
     
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    You're right; the player does not have to retire...see Morning. But the team can't claim a DPE on it's own; they have to apply for one. The NBA's Medical Director will provide input. It's has to be a real, disabling injury....which generally results in retirement...and I guess Morning did retire at one point, no?
     
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    Yeah, a $2 million player. You ain't gonna get much with that. We're better off to trade him and preserve a trade exception for another year.
     
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    I guess I understand what you are saying, but you can't claim a DPE just because you want one. The only way to get a DPE is if Sura is legitimately disabled to the point of being unable to play....thus he would have zero trade value.

    Saying we can choose to trade him or use the DPE is incorrect. The option of the DPE renders him useless as a trade. And, although I can't find anything in the CBA that explicitly states this, I don't think you can trade him, then that team cashing a DPE on him. I don't think it works that way. I think only the Rockets can claim a DPE on Sura.
     
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    He has value in trade as an expiring contract. A bad team that is looking to get under the cap and sign FA's this offseason may want to dump salary on the books for next year or the next few years for a salary that expires this year. He is an expiring contract.

    For instance, we could trade Sura's contract for Damon Stoudamire's, and not only that but send Memphis cash to pay off Sura's deal and remove Damon's $4+ million salary off their books.

    Here's another hypothetical. The Sixers send us Stephen Hunter and Alan Henderson for Sura's and Padgett's expiring contracts. We use the TE to swallow Hunter and Henderson, and we then send out Sura and Padgett's deals to create a new almost $4.8 million trade exception.

    Sura's contract has more value to us in a trade because we can use his contract to acquire a player and create another substantial trade exception.
     

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