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  1. basso

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    [rquoter]Barack Obama Is Not Jesus
    By - February 5, 2008, 4:05PM

    Though my first choice for president was John Edwards, today I voted for Barack Obama. He's not perfect, but he's a good progressive and unlike Hillary Clinton, he opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. As a constituent of his while he was a state senator, I remember very clearly that he was an outspoken opponent of the war at a time when most others in public life were running scared. And, unlike Hillary Clinton, he didn't stand and applaud when Bush said the surge was working.

    That said, I'm getting increasingly weirded out by some of Obama's supporters.

    On listservs I'm on, some people who should know better – hard-bitten, not-so-young cynics, even – are gushing about Barack, raving about his "game-changing" politics, about his "power to inspire," about how they wept while viewing the now-famous Dipdive video, and on and on.

    Then there's this unsettling article from a few weeks back about Obama's volunteer operation. One volunteer speaks of her encounter with the man himself:

    But the clincher came on March 17, when she met the Democratic contender face to face. She describes how he lit up the room with his wide smile, shook her hand and thanked her for volunteering.

    " He looked at me, and the look in his eyes was worth 1,000 words," said Mack, now a regional field organizer. Obama hugged her and whispered something in her ear – she was so thrilled she doesn't remember what it was.

    Here's more:

    Mack wanted to drill home one of the campaign's key strategies: telling potential voters personal stories of political conversion.

    She urged volunteers to hone their own stories of how they came to Obama – something they could compress into 30 seconds on the phone.

    "Work on that, refine that, say it in the mirror," she said. "Get it down."

    She told the volunteers that potential voters would no doubt confront them with policy questions. Mack's direction: Don't go there. Refer them to Obama's Web site, which includes enough material to sate any wonk.

    Excuse me, but this sounds more like a cult than a political campaign. The language used here is the language of evangelical Christianity – the Obama volunteers speak of "coming to Obama" in the same way born-again Christians talk about "coming to Jesus."

    But he's not Jesus! He's not going to magically enable us to transcend the bitter partisanship that is tearing this country apart. And even if he is elected, in no way will that show that somehow we have "gotten beyond" race.

    The Obama campaign's instruction to their volunteers to steer clear of policy questions. How can we truly bring about real political change if the movement the Obama people are building is devoid of ideological content, content merely to mouth gauzy generalities about "coming together" and "yes we can"? Such a movement becomes a cult or personality rather than engine for social justice and political transformation. And personality cults can be a huge turnoff to those who are not already drinking the Kool-Aid.

    Don't get me wrong -- inspiration is fine, necessary even, and the impressive grassroots organizing the Obama campaign is doing holds real promise. Ultimately though, neither Barack Obama nor any other leader is going to save us. What progressives achieve or do not achieve during the next presidency is almost completely dependent on how strong progressives are as a political movement.

    Just look at our current president. He's miserably incompetent and widely despised by at least half the country. And yet, he's gotten much of his agenda passed through Congress. This has little to do with any special talents or abilities George W. Bush possesses has everything to do with the incredible power and discipline of the conservative movement in this country.

    That's why, although I support Barack, I don't think Clinton would govern in ways that would be much different from him (except perhaps in foreign policy – and even there, there's some doubt, since their senate votes about Iraq have tended to be similar). Like Obama, Clinton is a savvy pragmatist. If the center of gravity moves to the left, that's where she'll be.

    I worry, however, that some Obama supporters have become so emotionally invested in him that they would not support Clinton if she eventually prevails. And that would be tragic. Voters are fed up with Republicans, have moved significantly to the left on many political issues, and are more open to voting Democratic than at any time in years. Democrats are well-positioned to finally to enact a progressive agenda and maybe even achieve long-deferred progressive goals like universal health care and labor law reform.

    To do any of this, a Democratic president is essential. And the small differences between Clinton and Obama are infinitesimal indeed when compared to the differences between either of them and any of the Republicans.

    There's a famous story about FDR meeting with a group of reformers trying to persuade him to support one of their goals. After they finished speaking, FDR said to them, "You've convinced me. I want to do it. Now make me do it."

    We need to remember that -- that the next president will do the right thing only if there are incentives (in the form of massive political pressure) for him or her to do so.

    So I say, we should all get a grip, stop all this unseemly mooning over Barack, see him and the political landscape he is a part of in a cooler, clearer, and more realistic light, and get to work.[/rquoter]
     
  2. Baqui99

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    Why do you feel the need to post every dumb ass article you read?
     
  3. TeamUSA

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    he is against war yet he said he will attack Iran or Pakistan. :)
     
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    Totally agree.

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  5. bigtexxx

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    Hussein Ubama is a fad that will fade. His super tuesday surge came up short. If he does end up getting the democratic nomination, expect the liberals to wake up and find that they've elected an ultra-liberal guy with no experience. Buyer's remorse at its finest. This happy go lucky, no substance group think rah-rah will be a distant memory
     
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    Correct- Obama can't be Jesus because VY is.
     
  7. Mulder

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    You ought to be an expert on buyer's remorse with W. The problem is, you guys went back for seconds.
     
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    That's not what the futures market says.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    I am off the futures market bandwagon for the time being. I believe they are now being manipulated by the Ubama camp. They're figured out that the market is not too liquid to be able to manipulate with their large cash advantage.

    It's absolutely disgusting, but they've already tried to do it with polls through their goons at Zogby. Shameful.
     
  10. Major

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    Ha! Sounds like a great arbitrage opportunity for you.

    Care to explain the benefit of manipulating a poll to show more Obama support than reality, which then results in Obama underperforming and being portrayed negatively? :confused: And care to explain how Zogby was the most accurate of the polls in a number of other states (Missouri, for example, where he was dead-on)?
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    Indeed. While I do enjoy trading futures (and making even more of that cash money), I won't be doing it on intrade because the site has been verrrry slow recently, and I have to be able to get out of a position at a moment's notice. Without fast access, I'm stuck. No thanks.


    Ubama's Kalifornia poll results from Zogby were criminal. The benefit was the herd mentality, "group think" psychology makes people think that Ubama is a more legitimate candidate due to being higher in the "polls". It's simply psychology: people tend to gravitate to the perceived popular folks.
     
  12. Major

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    Except that the crazy Zogby poll came out the morning of the election. It's doubtful that even a tiny fraction of Californians knew about it, except for people who are politically savvy - and those people likely already solidly support a candidate. The only thing it did it unreasonably raise expectations on election day, causing his loss to be be spun as that much worse. Nice try, though.
     
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    Even the haters can't stop talking about the movement that is Obama!

    It's a beautiful thing!
     
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    Hey! That's Obama's line!

    :cool:
     
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    I don't know about being a thing of beauty, but Obama more than likely will win if Hillary doesn't blindside him. Hillary is the only candidate who stops me from voting Democratic for the first time since 1976.
     
  16. mc mark

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    link please?
     
  17. Major

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    I'm sure this would be the case - you don't want random volunteers trying to explain a candidate's positions on issues. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. The smart thing is to direct them to the Obama website. This would be the case for all candidates.
     
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    Totally disagree. Totally. This is the same reason why many places in Europe don't publish exit polls - it influences voters the day of. People are more impressionable that you might think, friend.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    FIFY, brah
     
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    I've actually written more or less the same thing in other threads. I'm more or less in agreement. But this one little 'Obama the Muslim' jab makes the entire rest of the article worthless.

    What I take away from reading this post is that conservatives like basso, lil'texx and T_J are so embittered and angry that they have to keep the bull**** machine running 24/7.

    Congratulations on defeating yourself with two words.
     

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